Chesnut, Saralyn - interviewed by Charlene Ball
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- | Okay, so I was saying, you know if you see | 0:02 |
where our country is right now, where this | 0:06 | |
professional basketball player comes out | 0:08 | |
and you know, Chelsea Clinton sends him a tweet | 0:10 | |
and President Obama calls him or something like that | 0:14 | |
everybody's real proud of him. | 0:17 | |
You know and same-sex marriage is being legalized | 0:20 | |
in more and more places and there's just been a sea change. | 0:23 | |
And I, you know it was really instigated by, | 0:27 | |
originally, by some of us who came out in the late 60s, | 0:31 | |
the 70s and got real comfortable with ourselves | 0:37 | |
as gay men and lesbians and bisexual men. | 0:41 | |
That was before the term "transgender" was used. | 0:44 | |
But drag queens, the people that really instigated the | 0:46 | |
Stonewall riots, um... | 0:50 | |
(paper rustling) | 0:52 | |
and, just lived lives | 0:55 | |
as visible gay and lesbian, bisexual people. | 0:57 | |
I know I always did. | 1:03 | |
And I'm not, you know, it wasn't as overtly political | 1:05 | |
although we did participate in the Dyke March, you know, | 1:09 | |
as part of Pride. | 1:12 | |
Things like that. | 1:15 | |
But, really what's changed society's mind, you know, | 1:19 | |
and especially younger people, is you know | 1:24 | |
anybody that knows a gay or lesbian or bisexual | 1:26 | |
or transgender person, is much more likely to be in favor | 1:28 | |
of equal rights for us. | 1:32 | |
Because they know that we're not, we don't fit those | 1:34 | |
horrible stereotypes and we're not all pedophiles | 1:38 | |
and blah-blah-blah, all the things they | 1:41 | |
used to say. | 1:43 | |
"Communist pedophiles" or something. | 1:44 | |
I don't know. | 1:46 | |
You know, it's always gotten me that we | 1:47 | |
got lumped together with | 1:49 | |
Communists since the Communist party in Russia | 1:50 | |
was very anti-gay itself. | 1:53 | |
- | I know! | 1:55 |
(laughter) | 1:56 | |
Cuba, you know they persecuted gays. | 1:56 | |
- | I know! | 1:58 |
- | They're very straight-laced in many ways. | 1:59 |
- | Yeah! | 2:02 |
- | It was a bourgeois corruption or whatever. | 2:03 |
- | Yeah, like we've gentrified | 2:05 |
all these neighborhoods. | 2:07 | |
- | Mm-hmm | 2:08 |
(laughter) | 2:09 | |
- | But, you know I just think you know you see a lot of the | 2:12 |
legacy in the lives, like I said, of those of us who are | 2:15 | |
still politically active or who went on to have | 2:19 | |
careers or jobs that still had to do with social change | 2:22 | |
and LGBT issues or equal rights period | 2:26 | |
or social justice period and who lived pretty out lives and | 2:30 | |
certainly all of my family, you know, knew about me. | 2:40 | |
- | Did you have any, umm going backwards | 2:43 |
for a minute, did you have any trouble coming out, | 2:46 | |
family issues, as some people do? | 2:49 | |
- | Well, by the time I came out to my mother | 2:51 |
she had had a brain tumor and she had surgery, | 2:54 | |
it was a benign brain tumor and they were able to | 2:57 | |
remove it, but it left her with brain damage. | 2:59 | |
And knowing how liberal she was, always, I think | 3:02 | |
she probably would have been okay with it. | 3:05 | |
But she kind of lost her short-term memory | 3:07 | |
and all she had was her long-term memory | 3:09 | |
and all the things she had learned growing up. | 3:13 | |
And so she constantly told me she was praying for me to | 3:15 | |
change. | 3:17 | |
But I just would say, you know, well | 3:18 | |
we're just gonna have to agree to disagree about that. | 3:20 | |
One time I think she said I was going to hell | 3:23 | |
and I said well that's okay Jane will be there | 3:26 | |
'cause Jane's Jewish. | 3:27 | |
(laughter) | 3:28 | |
She's doubly damned. | 3:30 | |
Anyway, but my sisters and brothers no, I mean. | 3:31 | |
- | No problem. | 3:36 |
- | No, they were pretty matter-of-fact about it. | 3:37 |
Yeah, I mean, it's never really been an issue. | 3:42 | |
- | Let's go back to Alpha just a bit since I've got | 3:46 |
- | Okay! | 3:49 |
- | a chance to ask you. | 3:49 |
So you were involved uh what particular Alpha | 3:51 | |
things where you involved with? | 3:54 | |
- | Well I was in one of the rap groups, dinner co-ops, | 3:56 |
I lived in a communal household, Hummingbird Heights. | 4:00 | |
- | Rap group, uh, dinner. | 4:04 |
- | Yeah, I was always in one of the dinner co-ops. | 4:08 |
I played softball, I was in woman's song theater. | 4:16 | |
- | That was the second incarnation woman's song. | 4:20 |
- | Yeah, the second incarnation of woman's song theater. | 4:24 |
- | Yeah I saw one of the performances in | 4:30 |
Piedmont Park that ya'll did. | 4:32 | |
- | Oh, really? | 4:33 |
- | And I was coming over here to visit Dorothy, yeah. | 4:34 |
- | I don't even remember that. | 4:36 |
- | Maybe it wasn't Piedmont Park but it was somewhere | 4:38 |
you did, you did a reading from Monique Boutique | 4:41 | |
- | Yeah, that's right | 4:44 |
- | While wearing some kind of tunic. | 4:45 |
- | I remember that. | 4:46 |
(laughs) | 4:47 | |
Yeah. | 4:48 | |
- | And Elizabeth and Margaret did this skit that I had read | 4:49 |
earlier in Reader's Digest or somewhere, or maybe not | 4:52 | |
Reader's Digest because they were so conservative, | 4:57 | |
this person it was supposed to be a Kinsey researcher | 5:00 | |
- | Oh, yeah. | 5:04 |
- | was interviewing a Lesbian asking her what body parts | 5:04 |
she like the best that kind of thing. | 5:07 | |
(laughing) | 5:09 | |
- | Yes. | 5:12 |
- | So I saw that one. | 5:13 |
And Hummingbird House, where was that? | 5:14 | |
- | Hummingbird Heights. | 5:16 |
- | Hummingbird Heights. | 5:17 |
- | It was on Euclid Terrance, Sue Berres bought that house | 5:17 |
and still lives there. | 5:20 | |
Yeah Euclid Terrace between, it just runs between | 5:24 | |
McLindon and Euclid right as you get up to Little | 5:26 | |
South Points to that V you, you know the point of the V. | 5:30 | |
- | Mm-hmm, yeah. | 5:34 |
So, how many houses were there? | 5:35 | |
- | I think there were like five or six at the height of, | 5:39 |
you know and each one would have five or six women. | 5:42 | |
- | Mm-hmm. | 5:47 |
- | So, and there were like 30 or more women living in one | 5:48 |
of these households, at the height of all of this, I think. | 5:53 | |
And you know eventually I got involved with somebody | 5:58 | |
and moved out to live with her, | 6:02 | |
- | Mm-hmm | 6:04 |
- | Cynthia. | 6:05 |
And I think other people did the same thing over the years. | 6:09 | |
Kind of settle down or tried to. | 6:15 | |
(laughs) | 6:19 | |
- | Or tried to mm-hmm. | 6:20 |
- | And you know, Cynthia and I, the other thing you know | 6:21 |
is the whole thing about non-monogamous relationships. | 6:23 | |
- | Okay. | 6:26 |
- | You weren't supposed to have a monogamous relationship. | 6:27 |
That was kind of imitating heterosexual relationships and | 6:29 | |
marriage and was based on men's ownership of women and | 6:33 | |
so Cynthia and I had an open relationship but it was, | 6:37 | |
and it was just chaotic because we were such a, we all | 6:42 | |
knew each other, you know, so I remember one softball | 6:46 | |
game somebody hit somebody else from the bench before the | 6:51 | |
game and then during the game you know people were out | 6:54 | |
in the outfield crying and you know it was like , it was | 6:56 | |
just this drama. | 7:00 | |
So, it just didn't work out very well it was like we, | 7:02 | |
politically we believed in it but personally | 7:05 | |
it just didn't work. | 7:08 | |
(laughs) | 7:11 | |
- | Yeah, I've never lived that way even | 7:12 |
though I theoretically | 7:13 | |
believed in it for awhile. | 7:14 | |
- | Right! | 7:16 |
- | But it seemed as though it would be a lot of trouble. | 7:17 |
- | Oh, God. I know you had your primary relationship you know | 7:19 |
and then you could have others, but... | 7:22 | |
- | I remember Ellen and Barbara were saying, and | 7:24 |
they were most, they held on to it until they finally | 7:26 | |
broke up, but you couldn't tell because they still lived | 7:31 | |
together. | 7:34 | |
- | Right. | 7:35 |
- | And everything was very uh, very uh cerebral, you know. | 7:35 |
- | Mm-hmm. | 7:40 |
- | And they explained that you didn't have a primary | 7:41 |
relationship or a secondary one, that they were all just | 7:43 | |
relationships. But, that didn't seem quite accurate. | 7:47 | |
- | Yeah, well we called 'em, we said we had a primary | 7:51 |
relationship and I mean like I was living with Cynthia | 7:54 | |
of course that was my primary relationship. | 7:57 | |
And I didn't like it when she had her other relationships | 8:01 | |
and she didn't like it when I had mine. | 8:05 | |
- | Did you all have set rules like I remember that Ellen | 8:07 |
and Barbara well we had set rules of behavior. | 8:10 | |
- | No. | 8:12 |
- | No, okay. | 8:14 |
- | That probably would have been a good idea. | 8:15 |
- | Okay. Yeah, so what about the dinner co-ops, a little | 8:17 |
more about that. | 8:20 | |
Were they always Vegetarian? | 8:21 | |
- | No. No. | 8:22 |
- | Okay. | 8:23 |
- | That wasn't a requirement. I was not a Vegetarian | 8:24 |
back then. | 8:27 | |
- | So they weren't, it wasn't as somebody once said, | 8:28 |
"those lesbians are always trying to make people | 8:31 | |
eat tofu." | 8:32 | |
- | No. I mean we all used the Moosewood Cookbook and things | 8:34 |
like that but... | 8:38 | |
- | I think that was a good one. | 8:40 |
- | And I'm sure some people were Vegetarian but most people | 8:41 |
were not. | 8:43 | |
I mean back then I think people in the 70's people in | 8:45 | |
general were kind of more into healthy eating and now we | 8:47 | |
are again. | 8:51 | |
- | Right, right, we are. | 8:51 |
- | It's kind of come back around. | 8:52 |
- | Yeah, now it's Vegan is the thing. | 8:54 |
- | Yeah. | 8:56 |
- | The big thing now. | 8:57 |
- | Yeah, or I consider myself a flexitarian, that's what | 8:58 |
Michael Pollack is or somebody I read in New York Times. | 9:01 | |
Huh? | 9:05 | |
- | You eat whatever's available? | 9:06 |
- | No, I mostly don't eat meat, but you know, I don't go | 9:07 |
crazy if I'm somewhere and somebody serves meat, I don't | 9:12 | |
eat red meat at all but I occasionally will eat meat. | 9:14 | |
- | I don't cook red meat. | 9:18 |
Yeah. So the dinner co-ops were people they always met | 9:20 | |
once a week at that time? | 9:24 | |
- | Mm-hmm. You'd just take turns cooking and the rest | 9:27 |
of the people would come to your house when it was your | 9:31 | |
turn and you would serve them dinner. | 9:33 | |
- | That's the way the one is now, I guess it's the last one. | 9:35 |
- | Yeah, yeah they were just like those. | 9:37 |
- | Yeah and also and can you remember and particular stories | 9:41 |
or anything in particular that stands out in your | 9:46 | |
memory from the Alpha days? | 9:50 | |
You've already told a couple, but. | 9:53 | |
- | Oh I was in a poetry writing group, too | 9:55 |
- | Yes I meant to get the that! | 9:58 |
- | and we sometimes would have our poetry, I had a poem | 9:59 |
published in the Alpha news letter, I don't remember | 10:02 | |
whether it was the Atlanta by then or not, but ... | 10:04 | |
- | Uh huh. | 10:07 |
- | Um.. well you know most of the things I remember were | 10:09 |
the kind of outrageous things like all the drama around | 10:12 | |
the non-monogamous relationships, the um, I don't know if | 10:15 | |
I told you this but I once had sex with three different | 10:19 | |
women in one twenty four hour period. | 10:22 | |
(laughs) | 10:24 | |
- | Oh my goodness. | 10:25 |
(laughs) | 10:26 | |
- | The other thing was we would sometimes have just like | 10:26 |
friendly sex, like you were friends with somebody and one | 10:28 | |
of us would say well why don't we you know have sex | 10:31 | |
and just see what it feels like. | 10:34 | |
So, I was living with Margaret the woman I had come out | 10:36 | |
with but we were just roommates we were friends here in | 10:39 | |
Atlanta over near Emory and we hung out with a woman named | 10:42 | |
Kitty who was also on the softball team and she was a | 10:46 | |
student at Emory, she was still in school. | 10:49 | |
And I think it was a Friday night and Margaret and Kitty | 10:51 | |
wanted to go out and I was tired or something so I said | 10:55 | |
I'd just stay home and so they went out, they came back, | 10:57 | |
and Kitty came and got in bed with me and said, you know, | 11:00 | |
why don't we have sex and I said oh okay. | 11:03 | |
So we did and then she slept in my bed I guess and she had | 11:06 | |
to get up early Saturday morning and go to work so then | 11:09 | |
when Margaret got up she said, I told her that Kitty and I'd | 11:13 | |
had sex, and so Margaret and I decided to have sex, just | 11:16 | |
kind of for old times sakes, so we had sex | 11:19 | |
Saturday morning. | 11:22 | |
And then I had a date with somebody Saturday night. | 11:23 | |
- | Oh | 11:26 |
(laughs) | 11:27 | |
Oh no. | 11:28 | |
- | I mean it was not wildly erotic it was more like | 11:29 |
friendly, you know, let's just see what this is like | 11:33 | |
you know, I remember I did that with another woman in our | 11:36 | |
communal household when she first moved into the house. | 11:40 | |
She just, you know, said why don't we, you know, just | 11:44 | |
have sex. | 11:47 | |
- | And it was kind of political, too, because you were | 11:48 |
pushing boundaries. | 11:50 | |
- | Yeah, I mean, but I, yeah, yeah. | 11:51 |
- | Not.... | 11:54 |
- | But you know like there's just some idea that lesbian | 11:55 |
feminists were not very sexual I mean we | 11:59 | |
were in our twenties of course we were. | 12:01 | |
(laughs) | 12:03 | |
And we hadn't gotten to, I think part of this was you know, | 12:04 | |
we never got to date other women coming up like in | 12:09 | |
High School like you would date men, or college | 12:12 | |
- | Right. | 12:16 |
- | So ya know, we wanted to just, I wanted to just play | 12:17 |
around and ya know. | 12:20 | |
- | Yeah. Mm-hmm. | 12:21 |
Just to do the kind of experimenting that heterosexual | 12:23 | |
kids often did, | 12:27 | |
- | Yeah. | 12:29 |
- | not all, but many. | 12:29 |
Yeah, and that's, I know, I guess people had that story | 12:32 | |
about not being very sexual. | 12:37 | |
It seemed to come along after S & M and the more extreme | 12:40 | |
butch femme stuff came back into vogue. | 12:45 | |
Or became ... | 12:48 | |
- | Yeah. | 12:49 |
- | permissible. | 12:50 |
- | And I think feminist rhetoric downplayed sexuality | 12:51 |
because the stereotype at the time was you know | 12:54 | |
lesbians were somehow like sex crazed, | 12:57 | |
remember all those pulp novels | 13:00 | |
- | Oh yeah. | 13:01 |
- | they always had unhappy endings you know and ... | 13:02 |
- | So this was a reaction in a way to those steamy | 13:07 |
erotic stories in which somebody always ended up being | 13:11 | |
rejected and committing suicide or something. | 13:15 | |
- | Yeah, right and one of the women would go back to men | 13:17 |
and - Right - then the other would either become | 13:20 | |
an alcoholic and commit suicide or whatever, | 13:23 | |
- | Exactly - they were always unhappy. | 13:23 |
- | But the whole focus was lesbians are about sex, - Yeah | 13:25 |
- | lesbians are sexual that's what it is. | 13:28 |
- | Right so this was kind of redefining it no being a | 13:30 |
lesbian is political and it really did de-emphasize | 13:33 | |
the sexual aspect, but that doesn't mean that ... | 13:37 | |
I think the rhetoric got confused with the reality | 13:41 | |
of people's lives. | 13:45 | |
- | Okay, yeah. Rhetoric got confused with reality. | 13:47 |
That seems very true to me because most of the lesbians | 13:50 | |
I knew, I mean I was the one who wasn't having sex | 13:53 | |
and I was in a long term relationship. | 13:56 | |
Or not very much anyway and seemed like everyone else | 13:58 | |
I knew was always breaking up with somebody or having an | 14:01 | |
affair with somebody. | 14:03 | |
- | Yeah. | 14:04 |
- | Or something. | 14:05 |
So, it didn't seem like the stereotype was true. | 14:05 | |
- | No, but if you read an essay like that Woman-Identified | 14:08 |
Woman, that kind of talked about what a lesbian... | 14:11 | |
What is it starts out like a woman is the rage of all | 14:14 | |
men | 14:17 | |
- | A lesbian is the rage of all women | 14:18 |
- | Condensed to the boiling point or something | 14:20 |
- | Condensed to the ....yeah | 14:21 |
- | Yeah so it, you know, it made it, it didn't say the | 14:21 |
sexual desire of all women condensed. | 14:26 | |
- | No, no it was about hating men really or being | 14:28 |
angry at men. | 14:31 | |
- | Yeah, or the patriarchy. | 14:31 |
- | And the patriarchy, yeah. That's what it was about, | 14:32 |
it was about overcoming oppression. | 14:35 | |
- | Yeah. | 14:37 |
- | Not, not desiring women. | 14:37 |
- | Yeah, and making our own rules hence the non-monogamy | 14:39 |
and the communal households and the whole emphasis | 14:42 | |
on giving your energy to women, your sexual....and you | 14:45 | |
know I think there were women who were just political | 14:48 | |
lesbians and later went back to men. | 14:51 | |
- | Mm-hmm. | 14:54 |
- | But then there were others of us, I did not come out for | 14:55 |
political reasons, I came out because I fell in | 15:00 | |
love with Barbara. | 15:02 | |
- | Mm-hmm. Yeah. | 15:04 |
- | You know, despite my best intentions. | 15:06 |
(laughs) | 15:09 | |
- | Yep. | 15:11 |
Yeah I think..well women came into lesbian feminism | 15:13 | |
for a lot of different reasons seems like, yeah. | 15:16 | |
- | Yeah. | 15:18 |
- | Uh, okay, um .... | 15:19 |
(turning pages) | 15:21 | |
Let's see if there is anything that I want to add. | 15:24 | |
- | Yeah, were you involved in abortion rights activities, | 15:28 |
ERA or ... | 15:32 | |
- | Yeah Georgians for Equal Rights Amendment and oh yeah | 15:34 |
I remember we all went the feminist women's health clinic | 15:37 | |
or center, we | 15:41 | |
(laughs) | 15:42 | |
we all got like speculums and mirrors and | 15:46 | |
looked at ourselves you know, remember Our Bodies Ourselves. | 15:48 | |
- | Oh yes. | 15:51 |
- | It was all into, you know getting to know | 15:52 |
your body and you know... | 15:54 | |
- | So those were workshops they had at feminist groups and... | 15:55 |
- | Yeah, well no I remember just doing that with some | 15:58 |
people and there was a woman who used to live here who had | 16:01 | |
a sex workshop or something no that's another example | 16:04 | |
of how we weren't anti sex. | 16:10 | |
- | Right, right, yeah. | 16:12 |
- | No. We were very much into getting to know our bodies and | 16:16 |
taking responsibility for the health of our bodies and again | 16:22 | |
kind of defining ourselves for ourselves. | 16:27 | |
- | Like our bodies ourselves. | 16:31 |
- | Mm-hmm. | 16:33 |
- | So woman (murmurs) | 16:34 |
- | Yeah. | 16:35 |
- | And also that book Our Right to Love was put out by the | 16:37 |
National, it was still the National Gay Task Force I think, | 16:41 | |
it's got a picture of the Alpha softball team in it | 16:45 | |
and it's, you know if you look at it that's a lot of the | 16:48 | |
lesbian feminist rhetoric right there. | 16:51 | |
- | Mm - hmm. | 16:54 |
- | And then some publications I think Sinister Williamston | 16:55 |
was around then and Feminary. | 16:58 | |
- | Yeah, did you publish in any of them? | 17:02 |
- | No. I didn't. Vicky Gabriner published an article about | 17:06 |
softball, about how you know she was, she threw like a girl | 17:09 | |
quote unquote and she'd never played softball and she was | 17:14 | |
not confident about it at all but she, because we had that | 17:19 | |
philosophy anybody can play that wants to she played and | 17:24 | |
she loved it and so that was her, I think that aricle | 17:26 | |
was Come Out Swinging or something like that you know. | 17:30 | |
- | One thing I didn't ask the others that um and I don't know | 17:33 |
if 'cause nobody, Loraine brought it up a little bit, | 17:37 | |
was the women's spirituality thing was there much of that? | 17:39 | |
- | Oh yeah we went out to Saffa's Quarry every now and then. | 17:42 |
- | I wasn't ever really, because of my | 17:46 |
Southern Baptist upbringing I pretty against | 17:48 | |
even spirituality much less religion. | 17:50 | |
But I remember we would go out early in the morning | 17:54 | |
to Saffa, we called it Saffa's Quarry and do these kind of | 17:57 | |
rituals, I don't even remember what they were. | 18:02 | |
But, other than that, I didn't, there were other women | 18:05 | |
I think that were more into that than I was. | 18:08 | |
- | Yeah I should have asked them more about that but | 18:10 |
Elinor came from you know the Mennonite background and | 18:12 | |
she was in Crimea Community for awhile down in South Georgia | 18:15 | |
and it's just that I know that people did more around | 18:20 | |
women's spirituality but nobody has talked | 18:24 | |
very much about it. | 18:27 | |
- | Well you know Charis was opened as a religious book store | 18:28 |
- | Right I knew that. | 18:31 |
- | it was part of an urban ministry and so they had a lot of | 18:33 |
books on theology and ... | 18:35 | |
- | I remember I went first time I went into Charis I | 18:37 |
saw books by Charles Williams and thought | 18:41 | |
oh this is a Priested bookstore | 18:42 | |
because I'd heard him referred to by Dorothy Sayers | 18:44 | |
it was one of the (murmur)people. | 18:47 | |
So anyway, back Saffa, where was Saffa's Query? | 18:50 | |
- | Quarry. It was a quarry I'm sure it's somewhere out | 18:55 |
on I-20, Lorraine might remember more about it. | 18:58 | |
- | I'll ask Lorraine. | 19:02 |
- | I remember, you know it was so early in the morning, we'd | 19:04 |
go out there and then I remember once Cynthia and I got | 19:06 | |
back home we just went back to bed we were so tired. | 19:08 | |
(laughs) | 19:11 | |
- | Enough of this morning time stuff. | 19:12 |
- | Yeah. | 19:14 |
(laughs) | 19:16 | |
- | Well okay well I've got a lot more stuff here now. | 19:17 |
- | Good. | 19:19 |
- | Uh, yeah. So, we'll add a lot more to it. | 19:20 |
- | I love talking about it of course. | 19:22 |
- | Yeah I know, I have a feeling the others if I | 19:24 |
interviewed them again they'd have much more to say. | 19:26 | |
I gotta have something, any how. | 19:29 | |
So, you want to add something more before I turn this off? | 19:33 | |
- | No, I just, you know I think for me the lasting legacy | 19:36 |
of Alpha and the lesbian feminist community was just | 19:39 | |
having a real positive identity as a lesbian and you know | 19:42 | |
went from totally being afraid because I was a lesbian being | 19:47 | |
afraid to tell anybody to being really proud and you know | 19:52 | |
just the very air I breathed everything I did was about | 19:57 | |
being a lesbian for awhile there. | 20:00 | |
Except my job. But even there, you know I worked at a mental | 20:04 | |
hospital and I remember | 20:10 | |
one time somebody brought like a teenager | 20:12 | |
or something in there to be admitted because they were gay | 20:15 | |
and I remember saying, I mean it was still classified as | 20:18 | |
a mental disorder at that time I think, | 20:23 | |
but I remember saying that's not a mental illness. | 20:26 | |
(laughs) | 20:30 | |
- | Hmm wonder what happened to them. | 20:32 |
- | Yeah. | 20:35 |
- | Okay, well how do I turn this thing off? | 20:37 |
(Click) | 20:39 |
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