WDBS News: Tape #14
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- | This is Douglas Knight speaking. | 0:05 |
Many of you have heard during the course of the afternoon | 0:08 | |
that I would be talking with you this evening | 0:11 | |
to comment on the events of the past days on our campus. | 0:13 | |
Early today, it was arranged | 0:19 | |
that a detailed tape be made for WDBS | 0:22 | |
at 3 o'clock this afternoon, | 0:25 | |
during which I had hoped to answer | 0:28 | |
a good many questions put to me | 0:30 | |
by a group of house counselors | 0:33 | |
with whom I had a meeting earlier today. | 0:35 | |
As some of the house counselors | 0:39 | |
arrived at University House, however, | 0:42 | |
so did a group of about 800 students | 0:45 | |
from a Page Auditorium assembly, | 0:47 | |
which had been convened by the Student Liberation Front. | 0:50 | |
During the hour from 3 to 4 this afternoon, | 0:55 | |
we had a general open air discussion | 0:58 | |
with those who were here. | 1:00 | |
The tape of that discussion will be played for you shortly, | 1:03 | |
but you and I both know | 1:09 | |
that the questions put to me at that time | 1:12 | |
do not and could not reflect | 1:13 | |
the full range of our concerns as a university community. | 1:15 | |
It is my attention to talk with | 1:22 | |
any and all of you in person | 1:25 | |
whenever the situation allows it. | 1:26 | |
In the meantime, however, | 1:30 | |
I would like to speak positively to you | 1:32 | |
and not simply in response to questions or demands | 1:35 | |
or whatever we choose to call them. | 1:39 | |
First, let me comment on the events, | 1:43 | |
which occurred on the Duke campus last Thursday. | 1:46 | |
I do not and cannot condone the illegal occupation | 1:50 | |
of any building on any university campus | 1:54 | |
for any reason at all. | 1:58 | |
This sort of action, this sort of aggressive action, | 2:01 | |
is no way in which to resolve a problem. | 2:05 | |
It simply compounds it. | 2:08 | |
Second, I would like to assure each of you | 2:12 | |
of my own longstanding and deep concern | 2:17 | |
for the position of black students on the Duke campus, | 2:22 | |
as well as the concerns of black students | 2:27 | |
seeking an education on every other campus in this country. | 2:31 | |
Now, this is not simply an abstract or official sensitivity. | 2:36 | |
It has already resulted in a number of specific actions | 2:42 | |
on the Duke campus in recent months, | 2:46 | |
and it is our intention | 2:49 | |
that it result in other tangible achievements in the future, | 2:52 | |
as they are possible for the university, | 2:56 | |
its faculty, and its students. | 2:58 | |
To aid in developing our intentions fully, | 3:03 | |
a committee chaired by Dean Griffith | 3:07 | |
was formed last October, | 3:10 | |
and another major committee | 3:12 | |
under the chairmanship of Professor Alan Kerckhoff | 3:15 | |
was constituted early this past week. | 3:19 | |
Their deliberations have occupied | 3:23 | |
most of the intervening days, | 3:24 | |
and they have developed several proposals | 3:27 | |
to which I am personally giving my full attention. | 3:31 | |
The university has a very real concern in these matters. | 3:38 | |
It has made a good deal of honest effort | 3:42 | |
and recognizes at the same time | 3:46 | |
that a great deal must still be done | 3:48 | |
to create within our whole range of learning experience | 3:50 | |
programs which are meaningful and significant | 3:55 | |
not only for the black students at Duke University, | 3:59 | |
but for all students here. | 4:02 | |
I regret more than I can ever tell any one of you | 4:08 | |
that it was necessary to bring police onto the campus | 4:13 | |
in order to secure Allen Building last Thursday, | 4:18 | |
but no honest choice was made evident to us | 4:23 | |
during the 10 hours | 4:28 | |
in which we tried to work with the situation, | 4:29 | |
and in which we proposed a great variety | 4:32 | |
of possible solutions to those occupying the building. | 4:37 | |
I myself was responsible for the final | 4:42 | |
and deeply painful decision | 4:47 | |
to ask the police to clear the building for us. | 4:50 | |
I would like to express my deep sense of personal relief | 4:57 | |
that the building was vacated without damage to | 5:01 | |
the university records, to your records, | 5:07 | |
but I regret more than I can say | 5:11 | |
that the departure of the students | 5:14 | |
did not occur in time to save us | 5:16 | |
from the events which took place | 5:19 | |
early in the evening. | 5:23 | |
I want to express once again my great concern | 5:26 | |
for the events which followed the arrival | 5:30 | |
of the Durham and State Police on the campus. | 5:32 | |
Many of you were direct eye witnesses to those events, | 5:36 | |
and it would be truly helpful to all of us | 5:40 | |
in evaluating the confrontation which occurred | 5:43 | |
if we could obtain signed accounts from you | 5:48 | |
describing events as you yourself were able to see them. | 5:51 | |
These should be addressed to Dean Griffith. | 5:56 | |
I want you now to hear the discussion, | 6:02 | |
which took place outside University House this afternoon, | 6:04 | |
in all its partiality and all its limitation. | 6:07 | |
I know that you are concerned | 6:13 | |
about the issues raised in that discussion | 6:16 | |
and during the week, | 6:20 | |
just as I am concerned. | 6:21 | |
Tonight, key members of the faculty, | 6:24 | |
of the trustees, and of the administration | 6:27 | |
will be talking with a number of our black students | 6:30 | |
in an effort to resolve problems | 6:33 | |
which have led to our current situation | 6:36 | |
not only here at Duke, | 6:37 | |
but throughout the United States | 6:39 | |
and indeed throughout the world. | 6:41 | |
In the meantime, I depend upon your mature judgment | 6:44 | |
and your sympathetic forbearance | 6:47 | |
as we move effectively and successfully | 6:50 | |
through a very difficult experience as a community. | 6:52 | |
We shall be in touch very soon. | 6:56 | |
(trumpets blowing) | 7:02 | |
- | At 6:15 this evening, a rally was held | 7:05 |
on the chapel steps of Duke University | 7:07 | |
to announce the future plans of the black students. | 7:09 | |
Chuck Hopkins spoke on behalf of the Afro-American Society | 7:11 | |
addressing himself first to the results | 7:15 | |
of the Saturday, March 8th meeting. | 7:16 | |
- | On Saturday, March 8th, | 7:19 |
I met with Dr. (mumbles) of Math and Sciences, | 7:20 | |
Dr. Carlton of the History Department, | 7:24 | |
and Dr. (mumbles) the English Department. | 7:26 | |
I met because I hoped that something could be worked out; | 7:28 | |
that we could start to resolve the problem | 7:30 | |
of student participation in decision making | 7:32 | |
revolving around the Black Studies program. | 7:34 | |
It was indicated to me at the meeting, however, | 7:37 | |
that the administration intended to carry on | 7:39 | |
with the proceedings recommended | 7:40 | |
in the proctor committee report, | 7:41 | |
a report which the Afro-American Society have rejected. | 7:43 | |
Therefore, although I took part in the meeting, | 7:47 | |
the results have no meaning until the Afro-American Society | 7:49 | |
officially gives sanction to the report and the meeting. | 7:53 | |
As of now, the Afro-American Society has not recognized | 7:56 | |
the proctor committee report or the meeting. | 7:59 | |
- | Chuck Hopkins went on to state the Afro-American demands | 8:03 |
in regard to representation on the Black Studies Committee. | 8:06 | |
He told the rally that the black students | 8:09 | |
demanded a one to one ratio on that committee. | 8:11 | |
- | Since the beginning of our struggle, | 8:14 |
one of equal representation of black students | 8:16 | |
on the supervisory committee. | 8:20 | |
Why? | 8:22 | |
What was our rationale behind it? | 8:23 | |
It's crystal clear to us that | 8:25 | |
because of the difficult struggle | 8:28 | |
that we have been having with these people | 8:30 | |
to try to set up the Black Studies program, | 8:32 | |
it's clear to us that setting goals | 8:34 | |
(mumbles) direction of the Black Studies program | 8:37 | |
differ on both sides. | 8:40 | |
- | Hopkins then stated that the equal representation | 8:43 |
the Afros sought was voted down earlier in the day | 8:46 | |
by a private meeting of the faculty committee. | 8:48 | |
This committee agreed only | 8:51 | |
to a three blacks to five faculty ratio. | 8:52 | |
These terms were not satisfactory to the Afros, | 8:55 | |
who then tried to compromise with the council, | 8:57 | |
offering them a representation ratio of four blacks | 9:00 | |
to four faculty members, | 9:03 | |
with one additional member satisfactory to both sides. | 9:04 | |
- | This was rejected. | 9:09 |
(mumbles) that they had met | 9:11 | |
and they unanimously voted that they would only recommend | 9:13 | |
what they had decided earlier today, | 9:17 | |
that is three black students | 9:21 | |
opposed to five faculty members. | 9:23 | |
We cannot accept this, | 9:26 | |
because we'd be putting ourselves in a position | 9:29 | |
that black people have always been put in | 9:31 | |
when they try to deal with white people on committees, | 9:34 | |
that is tokens. | 9:36 | |
We see tokenism throughout this university. | 9:37 | |
We did not want to be a part of | 9:40 | |
institutionalizing the same tokenism | 9:42 | |
in the Black Studies program. | 9:45 | |
- | Having reached this deadlock in the negotiations, | 9:48 |
according to Hopkins, | 9:50 | |
the blacks were left with three alternate actions. | 9:51 | |
- | The Afro-Americans at Duke | 9:54 |
are faced with three alternatives | 9:56 | |
as to our future course of action. | 9:59 | |
One, we could remain here | 10:02 | |
and completely disavow ourselves from the university. | 10:05 | |
The second alternative is for us to destroy the place. | 10:13 | |
The third alternative is for us to withdraw from Duke | 10:19 | |
and refuse to legitimatize an illegitimate system. | 10:23 | |
We have chosen the latter alternative, | 10:29 | |
and we'll continue our education | 10:32 | |
by establishing on the outside of Duke University | 10:35 | |
an institution which will speak to the needs of students, | 10:39 | |
especially black students. | 10:43 | |
In the way, | 10:46 | |
we will put an end | 10:47 | |
to the constant destruction of our minds | 10:50 | |
and our humanity. | 10:54 | |
We will establish the Malcolm X University for Liberation. | 10:56 | |
Long live Malcolm X Liberation University. | 11:02 | |
- | The blacks then called | 11:09 |
for a solidarity march through Durham | 11:10 | |
to St. Joseph's Church. | 11:12 | |
Three abreast, they left Duke's west campus | 11:13 | |
marching along Campus Drive through the east campus | 11:15 | |
and then out the front gates. | 11:18 | |
Behind the black's, a line of supporters | 11:19 | |
trailed some two blocks long. | 11:21 | |
Currently, the marchers | 11:23 | |
are still on their way to St. Joseph's Church. | 11:24 | |
We'll have more of the latest details as they happen | 11:26 | |
here on WDBS, your news station. | 11:28 | |
For WDBS, this has been Don Baumgardner reporting. | 11:31 | |
Now back to much more music. | 11:34 | |
(trumpets blowing) | 11:41 | |
- | Good evening for WDBS Contemporary News. | 11:45 |
This is David Christy. | 11:47 | |
In local news tonight, disturbances in downtown Durham. | 11:49 | |
Correspondent Don Baumgardner was on the scene | 11:52 | |
and he gave us this report. | 11:55 | |
- | At 7:15 this evening, | 11:56 |
a column of blacks from Duke University's | 11:58 | |
Afro-American Society and their white supporters | 12:00 | |
left Duke University's east campus gates | 12:02 | |
and marched to Five Points in Durham. | 12:05 | |
There, they were joined in their rally | 12:07 | |
by a column of students, approximately 1,500 in number, | 12:09 | |
who had marched from NCC | 12:13 | |
to support the Duke student demands. | 12:15 | |
Soon after the group assembled at Five Points, | 12:17 | |
they were surrounded by Durham Police, riot equipped. | 12:20 | |
Mike McBride, | 12:23 | |
President of the Afro-American Society at Duke, | 12:24 | |
addressed the crowd first, | 12:27 | |
stating that the faculty committee meeting today | 12:28 | |
produced nothing. | 12:30 | |
The blacks refused to return to the university | 12:31 | |
unless their demands were met in total. | 12:34 | |
Dr. Tom Ranning next addressed the crowd | 12:37 | |
calling for the unity in the movement. | 12:40 | |
Then, Howard Fuller exposed the future plans of the blacks | 12:43 | |
in regard to the Malcolm X Liberation University. | 12:47 | |
- | We are jiving | 12:50 |
about opening up Malcolm X Liberation University. | 12:52 | |
I want to say to any of you who believe that we are jiving, | 12:54 | |
Thursday morning at 10 o'clock | 12:58 | |
we're gonna have a noon conference, | 13:00 | |
at which time we will announce the curriculum | 13:02 | |
that has already been set, | 13:04 | |
we will announce the faculty members that are already ready, | 13:06 | |
we will announce the place that we already have, | 13:09 | |
we will announce the scholarship that we already got | 13:12 | |
and (mumbles). | 13:14 | |
(cheering) | 13:16 | |
- | Fuller next called for a march tomorrow evening | 13:18 |
of the Duke's and NCC's students. | 13:20 | |
This one, he stated, will not stop at Five Points, | 13:23 | |
but continue to Duke, | 13:26 | |
and he warned anything can happen. | 13:27 | |
As the rally broke up, | 13:30 | |
a large group of students surged up Main Street toward NCC | 13:31 | |
and began breaking windows. | 13:35 | |
The police, remaining passive up to this point, | 13:36 | |
ran toward the students, dispersing them in all directions. | 13:38 | |
Windows in such stores as Belk-Leggett, | 13:42 | |
the Young Men's Shop, | 13:44 | |
and several jewelry stores, were smashed, | 13:45 | |
setting off burglar alarms. | 13:48 | |
No looting took place, | 13:50 | |
nor could this reporter see any students | 13:51 | |
beaten by the police. | 13:53 | |
The students then continued marching | 13:55 | |
to their respective campuses, NCC and Duke University. | 13:57 | |
We'll have latest details as they occur | 14:01 | |
on WDBS, your news station. | 14:04 | |
For WDBS, this has been Don Baumgardner reporting. | 14:06 | |
- | We followed up Don's report | 14:09 |
and called the Durham Police Department | 14:11 | |
and got this report from the chief | 14:13 | |
that there had been one arrest, considerable damage, | 14:15 | |
and one unconfirmed injury. | 14:18 | |
For WDBS Contemporary News, this has been David Christy. | 14:20 | |
Now back to more music. | 14:24 | |
- | Time, and the four hold down arms will come back. | 14:26 |
We're now 90 seconds and counting, 90 seconds and counting. | 14:29 | |
Vice President Agnew now has come up to the window | 14:32 | |
here in the Launch Control Center | 14:34 | |
along with members of the party to view the launch. | 14:36 | |
- | I have an excellent view- | 14:38 |
- | One minute, | |
20 seconds and counting. | 14:39 | |
- | here on the rooftop, | |
an excellent view of the Saturn V rocket. | 14:41 | |
- | At this time. | 14:43 |
Third stage propellant tanks have been pressurized. | 14:44 | |
Final check of several panels | 14:48 | |
by Lunar Module Pilot Rusty Schweickart. | 14:51 | |
Second stage tanks now pressurized. | 14:54 | |
Schweickart confirms that he has the proper readings. | 14:56 | |
One minute and counting. | 15:00 | |
T minus 55 seconds and counting. | 15:04 | |
All still going well. | 15:05 | |
We're coming up on the power transfer. | 15:07 | |
Mark 50 seconds and counting. | 15:09 | |
We're now on internal power | 15:11 | |
with the three stages and instrument unit of the Saturn V. | 15:13 | |
All propellant tanks in the second stage now pressurized. | 15:17 | |
35 seconds and counting. | 15:23 | |
The vehicle now completely pressurized. | 15:25 | |
The vents closed. | 15:27 | |
We are go. | 15:28 | |
30 seconds and counting. | 15:29 | |
- | Mark Kram, you pick up the launch | 15:31 |
from the rooftop and binoculars, will you? | 15:32 | |
And do you see the rescue helicopters? | 15:34 | |
I cannot find them. | 15:36 | |
- | I not see them, Red. | 15:37 |
I do not see them. | 15:38 | |
- | 20 seconds. | 15:39 |
- | Final count. | 15:43 |
- | (mumbles) released. | |
15, | 15:44 | |
14, | 15:45 | |
13, | 15:46 | |
12, | 15:47 | |
11, | 15:48 | |
10, | 15:49 | |
9. | 15:50 | |
We have ignition sequence start. | 15:51 | |
6, | 15:53 | |
5, | 15:54 | |
4. | 15:55 | |
- | There it is! | |
I can see the fire coming out of the tail of that rocket. | 15:56 | |
It is starting now. | 15:59 | |
The rocket just now starting to lift very slowly, | 16:01 | |
that delay due to the fact that there are metal tie downs. | 16:04 | |
And the brilliant orange flame from that rocket is so bright | 16:07 | |
that I can't look at it. | 16:11 | |
Now, we're beginning to vibrate and shake here | 16:12 | |
as that rocket generates some nine million pounds of thrust | 16:14 | |
it's moving towards; | 16:18 | |
7 1/2 million at lift off. | 16:18 | |
And there it goes riding a white streak of flame, | 16:20 | |
and still-- | 16:23 | |
- | Jack Riley in Houston. | 16:24 |
- | The brilliant orange | |
is too bright to look into. | 16:25 | |
A lot of smoke left at the pad | 16:27 | |
as the rocket moves into the overcast | 16:29 | |
and it's disappeared completely. | 16:31 | |
We have about a 3,000 foot ceiling here at Cape Kennedy | 16:33 | |
and the rocket has disappeared completely from our view. | 16:35 | |
All we can see now is the white and gray orange smoke | 16:38 | |
taking over Launch Complex 39A, as the rocket ... | 16:41 | |
We can still here it, | 16:44 | |
we can still feel the vibrations, | 16:45 | |
but the rocket is out of our sight now. | 16:47 | |
- | 1,597 feet per second. | 16:50 |
- | That voice is Jack Riley in Houston, | 16:53 |
Houston Mission Control. | 16:56 | |
(trumpets blowing) | 16:58 | |
- | This afternoon, March 27th, | 17:01 |
Dr. Douglas Knight, president of Duke University, | 17:03 | |
announced his resignation. | 17:05 | |
Charles Braswell has the official university statement | 17:07 | |
for WDBS News. | 17:09 | |
- | Dr. Douglas M. Knight has submitted his resignation | 17:11 |
as president of Duke University effective June 30th | 17:14 | |
to accept a challenging new position. | 17:17 | |
His decision to relinquish the office, | 17:19 | |
which he has held since September, 1963, | 17:21 | |
was disclosed today in telegrams | 17:23 | |
to members of the board of trustees | 17:25 | |
and in an open letter | 17:27 | |
to members of the Duke University community. | 17:28 | |
Dr. Knight said his reasons for the decision | 17:31 | |
were both personal and professional. | 17:33 | |
Noting that he has served | 17:36 | |
as a college and university president for over 15 years, | 17:37 | |
he said he has quote, | 17:40 | |
"An obligation to protect my family | 17:41 | |
"from the severe and sometimes savage demands | 17:43 | |
"of such a career," end quote. | 17:46 | |
Turning to his future plans, | 17:49 | |
Dr. Knight said he has ahead of him quote, | 17:50 | |
"An unusual opportunity | 17:52 | |
"that will make use of my experience as a teacher, | 17:54 | |
"as a writer, and as an administrator, | 17:57 | |
"while opening up new horizons | 17:59 | |
"and expectations for me," end quote. | 18:01 | |
He added that he was not free to announce his plans, | 18:03 | |
but said an announcement will be made | 18:06 | |
in the very near future. | 18:08 | |
Dr. Knight told his colleagues at Duke quote, | 18:10 | |
"I'm sure that each of you will realize the pain and doubt, | 18:12 | |
"which goes into making such a decision. | 18:15 | |
"It is not easy to leave Duke University. | 18:17 | |
"I would like to assure each of you | 18:20 | |
"that my interest in Duke University | 18:21 | |
"will not end with my departure, | 18:23 | |
"nor I hope my opportunity to be useful to it. | 18:25 | |
"My desire to see Duke measure up to its full potentialities | 18:28 | |
"will continue into my new work, | 18:32 | |
"and I will offer every possible assistance | 18:34 | |
"to my successor," end quote. | 18:36 | |
Commenting on Dr. Knight's resignation, | 18:39 | |
Charles B. Wade Junior of Winston-Salem, | 18:41 | |
chairman of the university's board of trustees said, | 18:43 | |
and I quote, "Dr. Knight and his family | 18:45 | |
"have made extreme personal sacrifices for Duke University. | 18:48 | |
"Duke, especially as a university | 18:51 | |
"giving leadership to our area | 18:54 | |
"in an era of great changes | 18:55 | |
"taking place in higher education, | 18:57 | |
"has made superhuman demands on its president. | 18:59 | |
"History now tells us as foresight did not | 19:02 | |
"that we must make some substantial changes | 19:06 | |
"in administrative organization | 19:08 | |
"in order to have a possible position | 19:10 | |
"for our president to occupy. | 19:12 | |
"Dr. Knight and I have a deep personal friendship. | 19:15 | |
"I am happy for him as a friend, | 19:17 | |
"and I do not look forward | 19:19 | |
"to our task of replacing him," end quote. | 19:20 | |
President Knight came to Duke | 19:23 | |
nearly six years ago from Lawrence College, | 19:24 | |
now Lawrence University, in Appleton, Wisconsin, | 19:26 | |
where he had served as president for nine years. | 19:29 | |
A native of Cambridge, Massachusetts, | 19:32 | |
he holds AB, MA, and PhD degrees from Yale University, | 19:34 | |
where he taught English literature from 1946 to 1954, | 19:38 | |
when he succeeded Dr. Nathan Pusey, | 19:42 | |
now president of Harvard University, | 19:45 | |
as president of Lawrence. | 19:47 | |
He holds honorary doctorates from nine institutions. | 19:48 | |
Throughout his tenure at Duke, | 19:52 | |
Dr. Knight has engaged in an impressive array | 19:53 | |
of off campus activities, | 19:55 | |
many at the national level. | 19:57 | |
He is a member of the Corporation of the Massachusetts | 19:59 | |
Institute of Technology, | 20:01 | |
a trustee of the United Negro College Fund, | 20:03 | |
a member of the Advisory Commission for Special Study | 20:06 | |
on Education of Educators | 20:08 | |
appointed by the Carnegie Corporation, | 20:11 | |
a trustee of the Woodrow Wilson | 20:13 | |
National Fellowship Foundation, | 20:15 | |
a member of the Educational Advisory Committee | 20:16 | |
of the SO Education Foundation, | 20:18 | |
a trustee of Education in World Affairs, | 20:21 | |
a member of the Mid South Regional | 20:24 | |
Educational Laboratory Development Committee, | 20:25 | |
a member of the Corporation | 20:28 | |
of the Research Triangle Institute, | 20:29 | |
a director of the Research Triangle Foundation | 20:31 | |
of North Carolina, | 20:33 | |
a member of the Yale University Alumni Board, | 20:35 | |
and a member of the International Association | 20:37 | |
of University Presidents. | 20:39 | |
This is Charles Braswell reporting for WDBS News. | 20:42 | |
- | As yet, no official statement | 20:45 |
announcing Dr. Knight's successor has been released. | 20:46 | |
For WDBS News with details as they occur, | 20:49 | |
this has been Don Baumgardner reporting. | 20:52 |
- | You wish it if we can talk together, | 0:04 |
and I hope we can. | 0:08 | |
I will not. | 0:13 | |
You'll forgive me, as I know you've not come | 0:18 | |
as a mall of people in force. | 0:20 | |
I will not deal with you that way. | 0:23 | |
I cannot, but you know that. | 0:27 | |
Oh, I've heard many things before, too! | 0:33 | |
I would like to say these things, | 0:40 | |
hoping they have some meaning for you. | 0:42 | |
The primary concern that brings you here today | 0:51 | |
and the, | 0:55 | |
please. | 1:02 | |
Don't run it too hard. | 1:12 | |
Let's pick out one concern about many. | 1:24 | |
The concern of this university for all its students, | 1:28 | |
your particular concern and mine for our Black students, | 1:32 | |
and for other students, too. | 1:38 | |
That's the one thing I hope you will let me keep clear | 1:46 | |
in what I say to you. | 1:51 | |
Simply, that the justice we must do | 1:55 | |
and with all the faults of this country are trying to do | 2:02 | |
has got to be justice for the whole country. | 2:09 | |
The end of the political speech right there, | 2:13 | |
except that I happen to mean it. | 2:17 | |
And I think all of you know | 2:21 | |
the things that we have been trying to do. | 2:22 | |
Some that we have in fact done, | 2:28 | |
some that we had done some months ago | 2:30 | |
before a group of demands were presented to me | 2:36 | |
a few days ago. | 2:42 | |
Now, my concern when I talk about the whole university | 2:47 | |
is that we have to have a legitimate chance | 2:56 | |
to take the questions raised one-by-one, | 3:04 | |
and try to see how they can be either solved one-by-one | 3:10 | |
or understood as insoluble right now. | 3:15 | |
Let me take a very specific example for you. | 3:20 | |
The demands which were presented to me | 3:24 | |
to use the words of those of you who gave them to me, | 3:28 | |
included a recommendation | 3:35 | |
about a certain percentage of Black students | 3:36 | |
in the university by a certain time. | 3:39 | |
If one puts this demand in that form, | 3:43 | |
it's not one that I have either the authority | 3:48 | |
or the judgment to commit the university to. | 3:52 | |
If one can discuss that question in some other way, | 3:58 | |
then I think it can be handled with reason. | 4:03 | |
I don't think you can just take a percentage | 4:12 | |
and say, "Yes, we are committed to a percentage." | 4:14 | |
I don't think that's justice for those whom you take | 4:17 | |
or for the other students in the university. | 4:21 | |
Therefore, for the place as a whole, | 4:25 | |
I don't think it's the wise way to go. | 4:27 | |
It is the pressure created by that kind of absolute demand | 4:32 | |
and then the occupation of a building | 4:39 | |
that gives one no room to move | 4:43 | |
and no chance to solve a problem, | 4:47 | |
no matter how much he wants to. | 4:51 | |
- | They did it at Brandeis. | 4:56 |
- | They are still at work doing it at Brandeis. | 4:58 |
(crowd chattering) | 5:02 | |
- | How would you like the request put to you, sir? | 5:06 |
(crowd laughing) | 5:10 | |
- | I would like a little time to work on the requests, | 5:12 |
and I would like-- | 5:16 | |
(crowd chattering) | 5:18 | |
I would also like. | 5:20 | |
We can't do it this way. | 5:22 | |
- | You're the one that called in the cops! | 5:24 |
- | Alright, Huck, alright. | 5:27 |
And I have quite courage enough | 5:29 | |
to have said it some time ago, too. | 5:32 | |
I don't need your reminder. | 5:35 | |
No, you all knew that. | 5:40 | |
(crowd chattering) | 5:43 | |
Mm-hmm. | 5:45 | |
(crowd chattering) | 5:46 | |
(crowd laughing) | 5:57 | |
That would be an easy solution. | 6:06 | |
(crowd chattering) | 6:09 | |
- | What about amnesty? | 6:12 |
- | Yes, I can. | 6:14 |
As I recall it, | 6:19 | |
when some of you were in Allen Building two days ago, | 6:20 | |
this question came up | 6:25 | |
and it was made clear at that time | 6:27 | |
that amnesty was not a condition of your leaving. | 6:30 | |
Am I not correct? | 6:34 | |
I cannot offer it now. | 6:37 | |
- | Why?! | 6:39 |
(crowd chattering) | 6:40 | |
- | The problem is you're never (faint speaking). | 6:47 |
All you're doing is what you think | 6:50 | |
you always have to do to placate a few people. | 6:51 | |
If you really wanted to show us | 6:54 | |
that you wanted to do something, | 6:55 | |
you could do a lot of things right now. | 6:57 | |
(crowd applauding) | 6:59 | |
- | You could call the police in a few hours. | 7:09 |
- | You can cancel your radio program. | 7:12 |
Nobody's going to listen to it anyway. | 7:13 | |
- | I can, they're down the road. | 7:16 |
(faint speaking) | 7:18 | |
(crowd laughing) | 7:21 | |
(crowd chattering) | 7:22 | |
I see you have your, yes. | 7:28 | |
Yes. | 7:31 | |
- | President Knight? | 7:32 |
- | Yes? | 7:33 |
- | I sat right back on this carpet. | 7:34 |
(faint speaking) | 7:36 | |
And heard the same old brainwash that we're hearing today. | 7:37 | |
I would like for you to say | 7:40 | |
why you can't meet these very reasonable, | 7:42 | |
these very reasonable demands, | 7:44 | |
that were made on you by the Black people | 7:47 | |
that the more progressive universities in this country | 7:49 | |
are making at this time. | 7:51 | |
- | Right on! | 7:53 |
(crowd applauding) | 7:54 | |
- | And I will give you this answer. | 8:04 |
That we have met several as those demands as you call them, | 8:07 | |
and you know it. | 8:12 | |
And that we will work with the others | 8:14 | |
as fast as we can if we have that chance. | 8:17 | |
- | We've already heard that answer. | 8:21 |
- | Alright. | 8:23 |
It's the truth. | 8:24 | |
It's the truth. | 8:25 | |
- | The whole truth that we've had the whole goddamn time. | 8:27 |
Why weren't the Blacks allowed to participate in this event? | 8:31 | |
That's what we want to know. | 8:34 | |
And why can't junior faculty members | 8:36 | |
who had some touch with the students | 8:39 | |
and students participate in it? | 8:41 | |
This is what we want to know. | 8:43 | |
- | Alright! | 8:45 |
(crowd applauding) | 8:46 | |
- | This is Doctor Rainey speaking. | 8:50 |
(man yelling) | 8:53 | |
No, yeah. | 9:00 | |
- | Give us a chance. | 9:02 |
(crowd chattering) | 9:04 | |
- | I'd like to go back to-- | 9:08 |
- | Just been handed. | |
- | This question first. | 9:11 |
Alright? | 9:14 | |
So do I. | 9:16 | |
- | Just been handed a sheet of demands. | 9:17 |
- | And I'm sorry that the things that have been | 9:21 |
between April and now | 9:23 | |
simply fit your idea of nothing at all, | 9:25 | |
because they have been considerable. | 9:32 | |
No, we're not just treading water. | 9:37 | |
Now, let's take a look at these right now. | 9:40 | |
And let's look at the people that have to be involved | 9:46 | |
in each of them. | 9:51 | |
And you say, "Why can't certain groups be involved?" | 9:53 | |
They can and they are, and they should be. | 9:58 | |
(crowd chattering) | 10:02 | |
In many cases, they are recommended or selected by others | 10:13 | |
as recommendations to me which I take. | 10:17 | |
(crowd chattering) | 10:21 | |
- | I'd like to say this is the first demand, | 10:27 |
and this is what we're going to do, | 10:29 | |
and that's when we're going to do it, | 10:31 | |
and that's how we're going to do it. | 10:32 | |
And then I will give you all a written statement | 10:34 | |
to tell y'all that's what we're going to do. | 10:36 | |
Do that. | 10:38 | |
- | Right on! | 10:39 |
- | Right on! | |
(crowd applauding) | 10:40 | |
- | That's Fuller. | 10:45 |
- | I know. | 10:46 |
I will comment as one person on these questions, | 10:50 | |
and if you. | 10:57 | |
(crowd chattering) | ||
Alright, alright, hold it. | 10:58 | |
If you think I have, just all by myself, | 11:00 | |
the authority to say, "Sure, let it be so," | 11:03 | |
that is not the truth. | 11:06 | |
(crowd chattering) | 11:10 | |
That's not the truth either. | 11:12 | |
- | Let him talk. | 11:15 |
- | I'll tell you what I feel can be done, | 11:18 |
what I feel has been done, | 11:23 | |
what I feel we can reasonably work on, | 11:25 | |
what I feel is not possible at this time | 11:28 | |
or simply not reasonable. | 11:32 | |
And I don't see that any one man can do more than that. | 11:36 | |
(crowd chattering) | 11:40 | |
- | We'll call the cops! | 11:43 |
- | Alright. | 11:44 |
After a great deal of pressure. | 11:49 | |
(crowd chattering) | 11:52 | |
You wanted to know about these questions, I believe. | 11:56 | |
- | Don't equivocate. | 12:00 |
The answer to the questions is presented. | 12:01 | |
- | That's exactly what I'm trying to do. | 12:03 |
(crowd chattering) | 12:05 | |
- | Answer her. | 12:15 |
- | Alright. | 12:16 |
This request of the Department of Afro-American Studies. | 12:20 | |
As you know, there's a committee of the faculty and students | 12:26 | |
that have been working on this for some time. | 12:28 | |
It's just-- | 12:32 | |
(crowd chattering) | 12:33 | |
And it is just reported to me. | 12:35 | |
Not today, it's a committee that was established | 12:39 | |
back in the Fall that you all knew about. | 12:42 | |
(crowd chattering) | 12:45 | |
(faint speaking) | 12:48 | |
- | We understand why they're not satisfied. | 12:51 |
I think that's the question on everybody's mind. | 12:54 | |
(faint speaking) | 12:56 | |
Applies, | 13:01 | |
or would it be alright if he sort of answer you afterwards | 13:01 | |
to explain why they're not satisfied with what you say. | 13:04 | |
- | They have togetherness. | 13:07 |
- | Alright. | 13:08 |
Alright. | 13:10 | |
(crowd applauding) | 13:11 | |
Getting this. | 13:15 | |
- | Let's establish some ground rules. | 13:17 |
(crowd chattering) | 13:19 | |
While I sit on the ground. | 13:20 | |
(crowd laughing) | 13:21 | |
Like you know, number one, | 13:23 | |
if he late to the movements, | 13:24 | |
don't be giving them other questions | 13:25 | |
to get him off the track. | 13:28 | |
Let him talk to each single thing | 13:29 | |
and then let Chucky make (mumbling), | 13:32 | |
and so we can, you know, move on, 'cause y'all keep-- | 13:35 | |
(crowd applauding) | 13:37 | |
- | Thank you for that, Mister Fuller. | 13:45 |
The Department of Afro-American Studies | 13:50 | |
is one that the faculty committee has recommended. | 13:52 | |
It's going to take some time to put it together | 13:59 | |
and put it together properly | 14:02 | |
as a part of this university you can be proud of. | 14:04 | |
It's got to be approved by the whole faculty, | 14:08 | |
but these were respected members of the faculty | 14:12 | |
who studied it and recommended it to us. | 14:18 | |
Let me make one thing clear about it. | 14:22 | |
A great many of the courses | 14:24 | |
that make the best sense in that department | 14:27 | |
are already being taught in the university. | 14:30 | |
(crowd chattering) | 14:34 | |
Yes, they are. | 14:36 | |
And there will be others that I'm sure | 14:37 | |
together we'll want to work out. | 14:40 | |
I'm certain of that. | 14:46 | |
Nobody says this is a finished and complete package at all. | 14:50 | |
The question is whether one honestly in good faith | 14:54 | |
has worked toward this department, | 14:58 | |
and the answer is yes, it's been going on for some time. | 15:02 | |
- | Have at it, Chuck. | 15:12 |
(crowd chattering) | 15:14 | |
- | Is that an unfair statement? | 15:20 |
- | It's an unfair statement. | 15:24 |
And first of all, | 15:26 | |
as he's indicated at the beginning of his talk, | 15:27 | |
there's some question as to whether he himself has the power | 15:31 | |
to really establish the course here. | 15:34 | |
So there's some question in our mind | 15:37 | |
whether we should even be talking to him. | 15:40 | |
Like who runs this place? | 15:43 | |
Who makes these decisions? | 15:44 | |
First of all, if such a program is being developed, | 15:46 | |
one that we can all be proud of, | 15:50 | |
one that's one of the best in the country, | 15:53 | |
how can it be the best in the country? | 15:56 | |
How can Black people be proud of it | 15:58 | |
if Black people from the beginning, | 16:00 | |
and up in the progress and everything thus far, | 16:02 | |
have had no meaningful participation | 16:06 | |
in setting up the program. | 16:08 | |
Who developed this program? | 16:09 | |
We had no part in developing this program. | 16:11 | |
- | Right on. | 16:13 |
- | Right on. | 16:14 |
(crowd applauding) | 16:15 | |
- | We don't plan to and we will not accept | 16:19 |
any Afro-American Studies program | 16:22 | |
resulting out of shifting around of some courses | 16:24 | |
that the president (mumbling) out here at this university. | 16:27 | |
We recognize that the people | 16:30 | |
especially in these departments, | 16:32 | |
the people that run these departments are old people | 16:35 | |
who are not qualified | 16:37 | |
to deal with what we are talking about. | 16:39 | |
They're not qualified to relate to Black people. | 16:41 | |
They're not qualified to relate to a Black Studies program. | 16:43 | |
We will not accept such a program | 16:48 | |
being forced down our throats. | 16:50 | |
You can name it a Black Studies program, | 16:53 | |
but it's not a Black Studies program. | 16:55 | |
It's something you've thrown together to appease people. | 16:57 | |
(crowd applauding) | 17:01 | |
(people chattering) | 17:06 | |
- | Chuck, (mumbling). | 17:12 |
One thing if I may speak to that for just a minute. | 17:14 | |
The one thing I'd like to add to it | 17:17 | |
is that I don't think it's completely fair | 17:20 | |
just to chop it down as something created to appease people, | 17:22 | |
because I don't think that's quite the truth. | 17:26 | |
It does include things that have already been done. | 17:29 | |
It does include the work of people | 17:31 | |
who know a good deal about Africa, | 17:33 | |
though some of them happen to be White. | 17:35 | |
And nobody has said that it's a completed program. | 17:38 | |
We have said they are the pieces | 17:42 | |
and parts of the beginning of one, | 17:45 | |
which we're trying to get at. | 17:47 | |
- | What about Black participation? | 17:49 |
That's the key issue. | 17:51 | |
- | Where were the students? | 17:52 |
- | Where were we? | 17:54 |
Were we told about this committee? | 17:55 | |
We don't even know who's on this committee. | 17:57 | |
- | I think that you were told about it, Chuck. | 17:59 |
- | We were not told about this committee. | 18:02 |
- | Afterwards, right? | 18:04 |
- | I still would say that this is something | 18:10 |
the faculty of the university has been working on, | 18:12 | |
and has as its job to work on. | 18:15 | |
It has not been denied. | 18:18 | |
- | Why is that the only committee that the school has | 18:19 |
that deals with Africa, | 18:23 | |
the people who sit on that committee, | 18:25 | |
the grants and so forth they receive to study in Africa | 18:28 | |
all come from the Republic of South Africa? | 18:31 | |
I'm speaking specifically to (mumbling) Thompson | 18:34 | |
in the Sociology Department and other profs. | 18:38 | |
- | That, Chuck, just isn't so. | 18:42 |
Yes, let's-- | 18:50 | |
- | Does any money come from South Africa? | 18:51 |
- | If money comes from South Africa, I don't know about it. | 18:54 |
(crowd chattering) | 18:57 | |
I know South Africa is. | 19:00 | |
Yeah, let's look at this one. | 19:01 | |
(crowd laughing) | 19:05 | |
I think we're trying to handle that one. | 19:08 | |
Yes, Mister Fuller? | 19:12 | |
- | I didn't hear you say though what. | 19:14 |
What were y'all going to do in terms of. | 19:18 | |
Are y'all ready to set up a structure | 19:21 | |
that is number one, going to involve Black students; | 19:25 | |
that is number two, | 19:29 | |
going to break in where you don't have the knowledge | 19:31 | |
on Duke's campus, to bring in Black people | 19:35 | |
who have set up Black Studies programs | 19:38 | |
such as from (mumbling) Cities College, | 19:41 | |
such as Finley Campbell, such as James Turner, | 19:43 | |
to be involved in the structuring | 19:46 | |
of the Afro Studies program? | 19:49 | |
- | Yes or no? | 19:51 |
- | Are y'all prepared to, like, give Black students | 19:52 |
the voice and the control of various aspects | 19:55 | |
of the Afro Studies program? | 19:59 | |
Are y'all ready to do something like that? | 20:01 | |
- | Yes or no. | 20:03 |
(crowd chattering) | 20:04 | |
- | I'm going to answer. | 20:10 |
- | That's not my point. | 0:08 |
My point is, I really have been concerned | 0:10 | |
about these things, and taking my risks for them. | 0:12 | |
And I know you've taken your risks for them. | 0:17 | |
(yelling) | 0:19 | |
Nothing I ask for friend. | 0:23 | |
- | Get back to the demands. | 0:26 |
- | Nothing I asked for. | 0:27 |
- | Get back to the demands. | 0:28 |
- | Now how... | 0:32 |
How about taking a look | 0:35 | |
at this matter of a black dormitory. | 0:37 | |
Will you let me phrase it, | 0:44 | |
or put it the way you yourselves put it, | 0:46 | |
which was the living learning community you said you wanted. | 0:50 | |
With a chance for black students primarily | 0:54 | |
to choose those who would live there, | 0:56 | |
because it was going to be an Afro American studies, | 0:58 | |
that's the way it was presented. | 1:00 | |
And that's the way it can legally be presented | 1:03 | |
and considered. | 1:05 | |
If you call it a black dormitory on campus, | 1:07 | |
it's just as segregated | 1:11 | |
as calling some other things all white. | 1:15 | |
(clamoring) | 1:18 | |
All right? | 1:20 | |
And they've had to give it up | 1:22 | |
and we're not going to reestablish it. | 1:23 | |
- | Oh they had to give it up? | 1:26 |
- | Yes they did. | 1:27 |
The heat had to be put on them, and it was. | 1:28 | |
- | Where are the black students | 1:33 |
in those dormitories Dr. Knight? | 1:35 | |
- | Well now you want to guarantee white ones | 1:37 |
in the Afro American dormitory. | 1:40 | |
- | If you can guarantee black ones in the | 1:42 |
white dormitories then perhaps | 1:43 | |
you can talk to the Afros about guaranteeing | 1:45 | |
white students in their dormitories. | 1:47 | |
- | I'm just trying to get at the point | 1:52 |
raised here in question two. | 1:55 | |
That this is a feasible thing to do | 1:57 | |
as long as it's part of the program of the University. | 1:59 | |
Not if you say it's a separate black dormitory. | 2:03 | |
- | Don't you have the power to make it a... | 2:07 |
- | No I don't have the power | 2:09 |
to make it a separate black dormitory. | 2:10 | |
- | Isn't it the same thing | 2:14 |
as a black fraternity more or less? | 2:15 | |
- | Well you can't have an all white fraternity legally. | 2:19 |
(yelling) | 2:23 | |
We moved, wait a minute, | 2:27 | |
let me just get the facts straight for you on that one. | 2:29 | |
Outfits on this campus that wouldn't | 2:33 | |
remove those clauses had to remove themselves | 2:35 | |
and some of the sororities did two years ago. | 2:38 | |
Alright, alright. | 2:42 | |
If you're asking me why I can't change | 2:46 | |
all of human nature, I'm sorry | 2:48 | |
I don't have an answer to that one. | 2:50 | |
- | You can help. | 2:52 |
- | Yes I am trying to help. | 2:53 |
I'm sorry I happen to believe many | 2:56 | |
of the same things you do. | 2:58 | |
I know you doubt it, but it happens to be so. | 3:01 | |
None of us, yes please, | 3:07 | |
but I want to go on with this question two | 3:09 | |
unless you want to go on to three. | 3:11 | |
- | I don't understand something about this, | 3:13 |
it seems to me if you wanted to incorporate | 3:15 | |
the blacks into the system then the black dorm | 3:16 | |
would incorporate them into the system very nicely | 3:18 | |
by having segregated things. | 3:20 | |
- | Sure I think that would be the cheap answer. | 3:23 |
Now look, if what you really want, | 3:27 | |
as I believe you do, and as I hope we can talk about, | 3:29 | |
and not just in this setting where | 3:34 | |
the voice goes eventually. | 3:37 | |
If what you really want, is a chance to establish | 3:41 | |
identity, your own self, | 3:45 | |
your own way of life, | 3:49 | |
as other people wanted, if that's what | 3:52 | |
you want then that's thing we can really take seriously | 3:55 | |
and go with. | 3:59 | |
Now you said you want me to speak as a person, | 4:00 | |
I'm speaking as a person, maybe nobody else | 4:03 | |
will back me up on that. | 4:04 | |
I'm telling you one mans view of | 4:07 | |
what this kind of dormitory could mean. | 4:09 | |
If that's what it means, then it makes sense. | 4:12 | |
If it just means a black dormitory | 4:14 | |
where blackness is blackness then I don't | 4:18 | |
read that any more than I read | 4:20 | |
just whiteness is whiteness. | 4:22 | |
- | A contradiction. | 4:24 |
- | Will you tolerate it? | 4:25 |
As you've done the other white fraternities, | 4:28 | |
will you tolerate it? | 4:30 | |
- | To establish a dormitory where we can choose | 4:32 |
the people who want to live with us, | 4:35 | |
and live there together. | 4:37 | |
That's what we're talking about. | 4:38 | |
- | I... | 4:39 |
- | Dr. Knight! | 4:41 |
- | Yes I support very strongly the idea that | 4:42 |
you choose those who live near you | 4:45 | |
as students that many of you do right now I take it. | 4:49 | |
The one thing I'm trying to say to you, | 4:53 | |
is that I can't support the idea of a dormitory | 4:55 | |
whose definition is that this is black, | 5:00 | |
just because it's black. | 5:04 | |
- | I don't support the Klu Klux Klan | 5:06 |
but they've got the right to develop their own organization. | 5:08 | |
- | I don't think they've got the legal right to do it. | 5:12 |
- | They're doing it. | 5:15 |
- | That's another matter. | 5:16 |
They're doing it and I hope they got back for it. | 5:19 | |
Why don't we do the thing that | 5:26 | |
we can truly and honestly do, | 5:29 | |
which is to work on this identity matter. | 5:31 | |
- | You ain't talking, we don't miss an identity. | 5:34 |
- | I know you don't. | 5:36 |
- | We just want one. | 5:38 |
- | You put down on a piece of paper, your language. | 5:39 |
- | Okay, and I'm trying to answer you as | 5:42 |
honestly as I can. | 5:44 | |
Sir? | 5:45 | |
- | Where were you when the pigs were spraying us... | 5:48 |
(yelling) | 5:52 | |
- | Shutup. | 5:53 |
(inaudible) | 5:54 | |
- | Nobody... | 6:02 |
Nobody is trying to get anybody thrown out. | 6:05 | |
You, you, wait minute, | 6:09 | |
let's clear something up about that. | 6:12 | |
Nobody who was in that building | 6:17 | |
has been thrown out of this University. | 6:19 | |
(yelling) | 6:22 | |
No! | 6:24 | |
Now wait minute, just hold it, | 6:26 | |
just hold it a bit, hold it a bit. | 6:28 | |
The second go around there, | 6:32 | |
the document that you were given, | 6:35 | |
let's get down to the facts of it, | 6:36 | |
said that you were suspended pending those hearings. | 6:40 | |
Isn't that right? | 6:43 | |
Alright, alright, exactly. | 6:45 | |
Meanwhile it very clearly would be unfair | 6:48 | |
for any student who was there, | 6:52 | |
to have to leave this campus later on to be | 6:55 | |
found innocent after due process | 7:00 | |
and he'd have lost that time and all the rest of it. | 7:04 | |
That's another question, we answered that one. | 7:09 | |
I'm trying to tell you, that no, | 7:13 | |
no student who was in there and has been suspended | 7:16 | |
has been asked to leave classes. | 7:18 | |
We want you to go right on with those classes. | 7:21 | |
Amnesty means that we never carry through | 7:25 | |
on the due process, we've got to carry through on it. | 7:30 | |
(yelling) | 7:34 | |
- | According to your own policy, and according to | 7:37 |
the procedure set up by your own committee, | 7:39 | |
if you or your representative doesn't refer charges | 7:41 | |
nobody can, so you have the power right now | 7:44 | |
to say you're not going to do it | 7:47 | |
and you're not going to authorize it. | 7:48 | |
(cheering) | 7:50 | |
- | Let me ask you a question about it. | 7:55 |
Would you at that point say that I had the same authority | 7:57 | |
when somebody, everyone of whose ideas you detested, | 8:02 | |
asked for that same right? | 8:07 | |
Would you like me to use my authority that way? | 8:09 | |
Would you? | 8:12 | |
- | No the point is, do you detest the ideas | 8:14 |
of the black students? | 8:16 | |
- | No. | 8:17 |
- | Then the questions irrelevant. | 8:18 |
- | Wait a minute, wait a minute, | 8:20 |
let's not confuse two things here. | 8:21 | |
Now I'm sorry but I'm not confused on this one. | 8:24 | |
We're all confused about some things right now | 8:27 | |
but I'm not confused on this one. | 8:29 | |
You've got to make a distinction between | 8:32 | |
acting irrationally because you believe so much | 8:36 | |
in the cause, and trying to have some reason | 8:38 | |
and some justice for causes that you | 8:42 | |
may believe in or may not believe in. | 8:45 | |
You've got to have some common base of justice, | 8:48 | |
that's all. | 8:50 | |
And you can't have violence, | 8:51 | |
you can not have violence as the base of justice. | 8:53 | |
(yelling) | 8:56 | |
- | It's cold out here so look. | 8:59 |
- | Yeah it is cold. | 9:03 |
- | Well look, alright now, | 9:04 |
you claim you don't have the power by yourself. | 9:06 | |
- | I do not. | 9:09 |
- | So you get, will you be willing to get | 9:10 |
whoever you need to make any kind of decision | 9:12 | |
and meet with us tonight and we sit down, | 9:15 | |
and we gone write down what you intend | 9:18 | |
to do about these demands? | 9:21 | |
And then we'll bring it back to these people. | 9:24 | |
(cheering and clapping) | 9:27 | |
- | I'll be very willing to sit down with a | 9:31 |
group of you that's a reasonable sized group of you. | 9:34 | |
(yelling) | 9:38 | |
No, if we're going to sit down and talk, | 9:39 | |
we're going to sit down and talk. | 9:44 | |
- | I think he's asking about your bosses. | 9:46 |
- | Right. | 9:48 |
(yelling) | 9:49 | |
- | We all of us have our bosses don't we. | 9:51 |
- | All the people you think you need to | 9:56 |
help you make a decision, that's who we want there. | 9:58 | |
- | I understand, I understand, exactly. | 10:01 |
And this, yes I was trying to say that. | 10:05 | |
- | Okay you go do that. | 10:10 |
- | With a reasonable, with a reasonable group of you. | 10:11 |
- | Reasonable number. | 10:13 |
- | What you call a reasonable number? | 10:14 |
- | Now wait a minute, let me ask this gentlemen. | 10:16 |
- | Reasonable number... | 10:19 |
- | Of students. | |
- | Yeah right. | 10:22 |
And plus, plus, | 10:23 | |
okay plus like if you like, you can't make a decision, | 10:25 | |
you going to have somebody with you who can right? | 10:29 | |
- | When there's several of us, okay, | 10:34 |
no one of us can do all these things. | 10:36 | |
- | I'm not get any words in. | 10:38 |
- | I know. | 10:39 |
- | Alright you gone have, it's going to be you, | 10:40 |
and maybe a couple more people with you, right? | 10:43 | |
- | Yes. | 10:45 |
- | Let him decide. | 10:47 |
- | Wait a minute. | 10:49 |
- | People that you know can make these decisions, right? | 10:50 |
- | That can at least have some input in to them, yes. | 10:53 |
Okay. | 10:57 | |
And that means, faculty, wait a minute, | 10:58 | |
you know perfectly well if you're going to have | 11:02 | |
order in a University that means senior faculty | 11:04 | |
and it means trustees as well | 11:08 | |
as members of the administration. | 11:10 | |
And you all know that. | 11:11 | |
- | Okay. | 11:13 |
- | Alright. | |
Alright. | 11:14 | |
And you've got to give us a reasonable chance | 11:16 | |
to go at that one. | 11:18 | |
And it was that reasonable chance by the way, | 11:19 | |
that was denied when you moved in on Allen building. | 11:23 | |
(yelling) | 11:26 | |
Two days, this list turned up two days before you moved in. | 11:30 | |
- | What time? | 11:33 |
What time is the meet gon' be? | 11:35 | |
- | Yeah, and you, hey many and you have by the way, | 11:40 |
you have, you have yourselves and I've got me, okay. | 11:44 | |
Let's hope... | 11:48 | |
- | Are you willing to give sanctuary for those. | 11:51 |
- | It's not a question of that. | 11:57 |
If we're going to, if we're going to put it | 11:59 | |
under pressure, then we're not going to do it. | 12:02 | |
If we can sit down and talk, then we can. | 12:06 | |
I'm just telling you, I'm trying to answer your question. | 12:10 | |
You put in some fancy language yourself that time. | 12:13 | |
Speaking of gray mush, we won't do it under pressure. | 12:17 | |
We won't do it under pressure, let's try it at eight. | 12:20 | |
- | What time the meeting gon' be? | 12:27 |
- | Let's try it at eight. | 12:28 |
- | Where? | 12:29 |
(yelling) | 12:31 | |
Where the meeting gon' be? | 12:33 | |
Where the meeting gon' be? | 12:35 | |
Where we gon' have the meeting? | 12:37 | |
- | I can't tell you because I don't know. | 12:39 |
- | Well how we gon' get there? | 12:40 |
- | Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. | 12:42 |
Wait a minute, look, look, look. | 12:45 | |
You've got to give me a chance to talk | 12:47 | |
with some other folks havn't you. | 12:49 | |
And then find a, | 12:51 | |
I've been trying to be serious with you. | 12:53 | |
- | All I'm saying is like, you have said. | 12:55 |
- | And I'm not having one with you either. | 12:57 |
- | It is gon' be a meeting. | 12:59 |
- | Right. | 13:00 |
- | It is gon' be at eight o clock. | 13:01 |
- | You got to talk to your folks | 13:03 |
and dig on where they going to be willing to come to. | 13:04 | |
- | And you've got to do the same thing, | 13:07 |
those of you who are students. | 13:08 | |
- | We ready. | 13:10 |
(cheering) | 13:12 | |
- | Yes indeed. | 13:15 |
- | On the campus. | 13:17 |
- | Yes. | 13:18 |
- | Right, and... | 13:19 |
- | And without this kind of pressure surrounding it. | 13:20 |
- | We not talking about pressure, | 13:22 |
all we talking about is a meet. | 13:23 | |
- | Alright that's what I'm talking about. | 13:25 |
- | Alright so you know we together on that right? | 13:27 |
- | Right. | 13:28 |
- | And you cold, and I'm cold | 13:29 |
and since that's gon' be, then we can split | 13:30 | |
right now right? | 13:32 | |
- | Right. | 13:33 |
- | I mean we can leave. | 13:35 |
(laughing and yelling) | 13:36 | |
- | I read you, I read you. | 13:38 |
Okay. | 13:39 | |
Which one of you gentlemen is going to talk | 13:42 | |
with me about this? | 13:46 | |
(yelling) | ||
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. | 13:49 | |
Yes, whoa, whoa, whoa. | 13:52 | |
Yes to work out the place where we can meet. | 13:55 | |
(laughing) | 13:58 | |
That's all, that's all. | 14:01 | |
That's not an unfair request. | 14:03 | |
We take it from there. | 14:07 | |
We go sit down together. | 14:10 | |
- | Like the rest of yall, ain't gon' be... | 14:12 |
- | Alright. | 14:14 |
- | Just in case you forget, there it is. | 14:15 |
(laughing) | 14:17 | |
- | Let me through, let me through, | 14:20 |
I've got to go. | 14:23 | |
- | Thank you for coming, he wants to come through. | 14:25 |
- | Thank you. | 14:27 |
- | I would say about five of us each way. | 14:29 |
At eight o'clock yes. | 14:33 | |
- | Will you announce it over the radio? | 14:35 |
Are you still going to make the speech | 14:37 | |
at six thirty? | 14:38 | |
- | No. | 14:39 |
- | You aren't? | |
- | No I think not. | 14:40 |
I don't see how any one human being can produce all of it. | 14:42 | |
You know. | 14:45 | |
- | We're behind you as long as... | 14:47 |
- | I believe you, believe me I am. | 14:49 |
- | We're behind you too sir. | 14:52 |
- | Okay. | 14:53 |
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