Terrell County, GA (Sasser) mass meetings, speakers include Rev. CB King and Samuel Wells
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| - | He has a dream of being a first class citizen. | 0:02 |
| And his dream has been filled with nightmares | 0:06 | |
| from many years past. | 0:09 | |
| Many of us can remember with horror | 0:11 | |
| the infliction of bodily harm and pain | 0:15 | |
| that has come to Negroes down through the generations. | 0:18 | |
| I can yet remember so vividly, | 0:22 | |
| and it hasn't been too long ago, | 0:24 | |
| the Negro who was shot down on the courthouse steps | 0:26 | |
| in Baker County, | 0:29 | |
| and was tied to the back of an automobile | 0:30 | |
| and dragged around. | 0:32 | |
| In this day and generation | 0:34 | |
| I can remember very vividly, | 0:37 | |
| as early as last year, | 0:40 | |
| a Negro who was in jail | 0:41 | |
| in Bainbridge, Georgia | 0:44 | |
| because he said that he would vote against | 0:46 | |
| Marvin Griffin if he was out of jail and could vote, | 0:48 | |
| was beaten and died. | 0:51 | |
| I can remember too vividly | 0:55 | |
| an Emmett Till in Mississippi, | 0:58 | |
| who had not even reached the voting age | 1:01 | |
| and would not be given the opportunity | 1:03 | |
| to go down and put his name on the books. | 1:05 | |
| He was deprived of the right to live, | 1:08 | |
| and ultimately the right of being | 1:11 | |
| a first class American citizen, | 1:13 | |
| because he dared act like anybody else, | 1:16 | |
| because he dared to live and breathe as a Negro | 1:19 | |
| in the state of Mississippi. | 1:25 | |
| We live in a day and time when men | 1:28 | |
| can commit such dastardly crimes, | 1:30 | |
| and be given a license to do it, | 1:34 | |
| a time when a sheriff like Johnson | 1:37 | |
| down in Baker County can lynch a Negro | 1:39 | |
| and be elected to office the next year, | 1:42 | |
| a time when a man like Zeke Matthews | 1:46 | |
| can walk into a church | 1:48 | |
| where a voter registration meeting is going on | 1:50 | |
| and disrupt the service, | 1:54 | |
| create chaos and confusion, | 1:57 | |
| and be licensed to carry that pistol | 2:01 | |
| and still be the sheriff in that same county. | 2:02 | |
| But we as Negroes have a dream. | 2:07 | |
| Yes, these nightmares are in our dreams, | 2:11 | |
| but we have, at the end of the dream, | 2:13 | |
| a shining light that stands on in freedom. | 2:17 | |
| And we know that that road to freedom | 2:21 | |
| is a long and narrow road, | 2:23 | |
| we know that on one side of it | 2:26 | |
| there are briars and bramble bushes, | 2:28 | |
| and we know on the other side | 2:30 | |
| there are cottonmouth moccasins | 2:31 | |
| and diamondback rattlesnakes. | 2:33 | |
| We know that segregation and discrimination | 2:35 | |
| will be over our heads every inch of the way. | 2:37 | |
| But we'll keep our eyes set on | 2:39 | |
| that little light at the end of the road | 2:41 | |
| that shines for freedom. | 2:43 | |
| This is the dream of the American Negro. | 2:45 | |
| I dream of the day I'll be able to walk up | 2:48 | |
| the courthouse steps in Dougherty County | 2:52 | |
| and I'll be able to go in an sit down | 2:55 | |
| and converse with Mr. Chapman | 2:57 | |
| in his chambers of the city commission. | 2:58 | |
| My dream is of the day when I'll be able | 3:02 | |
| to go into the Holiday Inn | 3:04 | |
| and sit down at the welcome table | 3:05 | |
| and join my friends there in dinner. | 3:07 | |
| They can go upstairs and enjoy the comforts | 3:10 | |
| of the Holiday Inn. | 3:13 | |
| I look forward to the day | 3:14 | |
| when I can exert myself as a man downtown | 3:16 | |
| and demand what is rightfully mine and get it, | 3:19 | |
| without fear of any retaliation, | 3:22 | |
| without fear of my life being lost, | 3:24 | |
| of my body being harmed. | 3:26 | |
| I look forward to the day when I will not have to go around | 3:28 | |
| to the back door anymore. | 3:31 | |
| I will not have to be subjected to the humiliations | 3:34 | |
| and embarrassments of being called a boy, | 3:36 | |
| and told why I can't go into the zoo | 3:39 | |
| because my face is black. | 3:42 | |
| In my dream, too, I see my daughter | 3:45 | |
| going to Albany High School | 3:47 | |
| where she was turned back one time. | 3:48 | |
| And they will never learn, God bless their souls, | 3:51 | |
| in Albany they'd rather close the doors | 3:54 | |
| and deprive all the students of educations, | 3:56 | |
| rather than let a Negro join them. | 4:00 | |
| In this education process, | 4:04 | |
| well, our dream of the free Negro | 4:08 | |
| in the United States is becoming a reality. | 4:10 | |
| It is becoming a reality because you here in Terrell County, | 4:15 | |
| and the Negroes over in Dougherty County, | 4:19 | |
| and the Negroes in Lee County, | 4:21 | |
| and the Negroes in Baker County, | 4:22 | |
| have decided that they aren't gonna take it any longer. | 4:23 | |
| They decided they will not have their backs bent | 4:27 | |
| and be enslaved anymore. | 4:30 | |
| They are determined to be free, | 4:31 | |
| and nothing can turn them around | 4:33 | |
| because the change has come from within, | 4:36 | |
| and once the change has started from within | 4:39 | |
| there is no turning back. | 4:42 | |
| The martyr has already martyred the cross, | 4:44 | |
| he has felt the pierce of the spear in his side, | 4:47 | |
| he cannot come down off the cross, | 4:52 | |
| he will stay there. | 4:55 | |
| He will suffer, bleed, and die, until he is free. | 4:56 | |
| I would admonish the people in Terrell County to continue. | 5:03 | |
| It does my heart good, over in Dougherty County, | 5:07 | |
| to know that these meetings are going on | 5:10 | |
| even when I'm not here. | 5:12 | |
| I'm frequently asked in my travels | 5:15 | |
| what happened to the Negroes | 5:18 | |
| down there in Southwest Georgia? | 5:19 | |
| And I tell them the story of the Negro | 5:22 | |
| who had been working as a sharecropper, | 5:24 | |
| and he went up to the old master at the end of the season | 5:27 | |
| and he said, "Old master, how did we do this year?" | 5:29 | |
| and master said, "Well, yeah John, | 5:32 | |
| "you did very good this year. | 5:34 | |
| "You had the best crop of peanuts and corn | 5:36 | |
| "and cotton I've ever seen, | 5:39 | |
| "but you know John, we just did break even. | 5:40 | |
| "So, there's no money for you this year. | 5:43 | |
| "You gonna try again next year?" | 5:46 | |
| And he said, "Well yeah, sir, | 5:48 | |
| "I guess I'll try you again next year." | 5:50 | |
| John worked even harder than he'd ever worked before, | 5:53 | |
| and at the end of the season he went up and said, | 5:55 | |
| "Old master, how did I do this year?" | 5:57 | |
| He said, "Well John, you outdid yourself. | 5:58 | |
| "This is the best year that you've ever had, | 6:02 | |
| "I'm just proud of you. | 6:05 | |
| "You had more cotton, and peanuts, and corn, | 6:07 | |
| "we had a tremendous year this year, | 6:10 | |
| "but you know John, we just did break even. | 6:12 | |
| "You gonna try me again next year, John? | 6:17 | |
| And John said, "No, I'm gonna try you now." | 6:19 | |
| (audience laughing) | 6:21 | |
| We have contributed our all to the building of this nation. | 6:28 | |
| we have made cotton king, | 6:33 | |
| we have built our master's mansions, | 6:36 | |
| we built the statehouse, | 6:39 | |
| we felled the timbers and we tilled for it, | 6:41 | |
| it's ours, we built it. | 6:44 | |
| And at the end of the rights that we've wanted to take, | 6:46 | |
| will you give me what is mine. | 6:49 | |
| We just decided we wasn't gonna take it anymore, | 6:53 | |
| we decided we'd try 'em now. | 6:55 | |
| (audience applauding) | 6:58 | |
| We decided that we're gonna stop going to the back door, | 7:04 | |
| we're gonna stop bowing and scraping | 7:08 | |
| and as Wyatt Walker says, scratching where we don't itch | 7:10 | |
| and (mumble) where we don't tickle. | 7:13 | |
| - | Amen. | 7:15 |
| - | There's a new Negro in Southwest Georgia, | 7:17 |
| and I am proud of the contribution | 7:19 | |
| that I have been able to make, | 7:21 | |
| and I'm certain that others are proud | 7:23 | |
| of whatever contribution they have made. | 7:24 | |
| This is a Negro who's not afraid any longer, | 7:27 | |
| and as we sing that song, "We Are Not Afraid," | 7:29 | |
| we sing it from the bottom of our hearts | 7:32 | |
| because we really mean it. | 7:33 | |
| It's a Negro who walks and holds his head up high, | 7:36 | |
| and as long as he holds his head up high | 7:39 | |
| he cannot be enslaved, because you have to bend down | 7:42 | |
| and bow down to become a slave. | 7:44 | |
| - | That's right. | 7:47 |
| - | This is a Negro | |
| who has a new sense of dignity and self-respect, | 7:48 | |
| it's a Negro who conducts himself in a manner | 7:52 | |
| that will make him respected. | 7:54 | |
| Zeke Matthews wouldn't dare darken this door. | 7:57 | |
| This would not have happened a year ago, | 8:02 | |
| we would not even be meeting in this tent a year ago. | 8:05 | |
| They can kick us out, but they can't kick us down, | 8:09 | |
| they can burn the churches down, | 8:13 | |
| but where this one stood a greater church will stand, | 8:15 | |
| because our cause is a righteous cause, | 8:18 | |
| and you can slow it down but you can't stop it. | 8:22 | |
| You can cause it to take a more devious route | 8:26 | |
| and get it off that straight path, | 8:29 | |
| but you can't stop it, it's going, | 8:31 | |
| because the Negroes have a dream, | 8:33 | |
| a dream of being an American citizen, | 8:36 | |
| a first class citizen, with all of the rights and privileges | 8:40 | |
| of any other American citizen, | 8:44 | |
| and we are determined to see that day come | 8:48 | |
| in this present generation. | 8:50 | |
| It does my heart good to see the older people participating, | 8:55 | |
| those who probably have most of their years behind them, | 9:00 | |
| and you would think that after being subjected | 9:05 | |
| to a virtual slavery for these past hundred years | 9:08 | |
| they'd be ready to give up, | 9:11 | |
| but you can't help but have your heart warmed | 9:14 | |
| when you see that even they are determined | 9:16 | |
| to see freedom in their generation. | 9:19 | |
| If we get done over there in Dougherty County with our fight | 9:22 | |
| folks, we're gonna come over here | 9:24 | |
| and help you straighten out yours. | 9:25 | |
| (crowd laughing) | 9:27 | |
| (crowd applauding) | 9:28 | |
| We feel as though, as we make Southwest Georgia better, | 9:32 | |
| the entire South will be better. | 9:36 | |
| The soul of the nation | 9:40 | |
| rests in the hands of the Negro, | 9:43 | |
| the salvation of the free world | 9:46 | |
| rests in the hands of the Negro. | 9:48 | |
| As we make Southwest Georgia better, | 9:51 | |
| we will make the world better, | 9:54 | |
| we will have to teach our brothers in the Deep South | 9:57 | |
| that it is only through love | 9:59 | |
| can we win the hearts and minds of people | 10:01 | |
| throughout this world. | 10:04 | |
| If we are to maintain our image as a world leader | 10:06 | |
| and a democratic society, | 10:09 | |
| it will not be because we are a big nation, | 10:10 | |
| - | -businesses and posing-- | 10:13 |
| it will be because we are a great nation, | 10:15 | |
| and great nations recognize | 10:18 | |
| the privileges of its minorities. | 10:21 | |
| Greatness is enduring. | 10:24 | |
| Thank you very much. | 10:26 | |
| (crowd applauding) | 10:27 | |
| - | Again, Mr. Weldon thanks the head of the Albany Movement. | 10:38 |
| I'm sure that we got lots of folks here | 10:42 | |
| that would like to say something, but | 10:44 | |
| I know that you're ready to get rid of that comfortable seat | 10:46 | |
| you're sitting on (mumbling), | 10:48 | |
| and at this time we'll keep you in a mood | 10:51 | |
| to wanna come back, so we try to sing (mumbles), | 10:56 | |
| we'll just can it up and keep it that way. | 10:58 | |
| And at this time we'll ask (mumbles) to come forward | 11:00 | |
| and take up the offering, | 11:03 | |
| (faint speaking) | 11:05 | |
| that Weldon can proceed to close. | 11:06 | |
| ♪ This little light of mine ♪ | 11:13 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 11:17 | |
| ♪ Oh, this little light of mine ♪ | 11:19 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 11:23 | |
| ♪ This little light of mine ♪ | 11:27 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 11:30 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 11:33 | |
| ♪ All up in my house ♪ | 11:39 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 11:42 | |
| ♪ Oh, all up in my house ♪ | 11:45 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 11:49 | |
| ♪ All all up in my house ♪ | 11:52 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 11:56 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 11:59 | |
| ♪ Everywhere I go, Lord ♪ | 12:04 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 12:08 | |
| ♪ Oh, everywhere I go ♪ | 12:10 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 12:15 | |
| ♪ Everywhere I go ♪ | 12:18 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 12:22 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 12:24 | |
| ♪ All in Leesburg ♪ | 12:29 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 12:33 | |
| ♪ Oh, all in Leesburg♪ | 12:35 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 12:39 | |
| ♪ All in Leesburg ♪ | 12:43 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 12:46 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 12:49 | |
| ♪ I've got the light of freedom ♪ | 12:54 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 12:58 | |
| ♪ Oh, I've got the light of freedom ♪ | 13:00 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 13:04 | |
| ♪ I've got the light of freedom ♪ | 13:08 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 13:11 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 13:14 | |
| ♪ This little light of mine, Lord ♪ | 13:19 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 13:22 | |
| ♪ Oh, this little light of mine ♪ | 13:25 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 13:29 | |
| ♪ This little light of mine ♪ | 13:32 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 13:36 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 13:38 | |
| ♪ All in Albany ♪ | 13:43 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 13:46 | |
| ♪ Oh, all in Albany ♪ | 13:48 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 13:52 | |
| ♪ All in Albany ♪ | 13:56 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 13:59 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 14:01 | |
| ♪ Oh, oh, oh everywhere I go you know ♪ | 14:06 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 14:10 | |
| ♪ Oh, everywhere I go ♪ | 14:12 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 14:16 | |
| ♪ Everywhere I go ♪ | 14:19 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 14:22 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 14:25 | |
| ♪ Oh, this little light of mine ♪ | 14:29 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 14:33 | |
| ♪ Oh, this little light of mine ♪ | 14:36 | |
| ♪ Oh, I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 14:39 | |
| ♪ This little light of mine ♪ | 14:43 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 14:46 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 14:48 | |
| ♪ This little light of mine ♪ | 14:55 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 14:58 | |
| ♪ Oh, this little light of mine ♪ | 15:00 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 15:04 | |
| ♪ This little light of mine ♪ | 15:07 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 15:10 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 15:13 | |
| ♪ One more time ♪ | 15:18 | |
| ♪ All around the world ♪ | 15:20 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 15:23 | |
| ♪ Oh, all around the world ♪ | 15:25 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 15:29 | |
| ♪ All around the world ♪ | 15:32 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 15:35 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 15:38 | |
| ♪ This little light ♪ | 15:43 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 15:46 | |
| ♪ Oh, this little light of mine ♪ | 15:48 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 15:52 | |
| ♪ This little light of mine ♪ | 15:55 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 15:58 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 16:01 | |
| ♪ All around the world now ♪ | 16:08 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 16:10 | |
| ♪ Oh, all around the world now ♪ | 16:13 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 16:17 | |
| ♪ All around the world now ♪ | 16:20 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 16:23 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 16:25 | |
| ♪ This little light of mine ♪ | 16:31 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 16:34 | |
| ♪ Oh ♪ | 16:36 | |
| ♪ This little light of mine ♪ | 16:37 | |
| ♪ Oh, I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 16:39 | |
| ♪ Oh, this little light of mine ♪ | 16:42 | |
| ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ | 16:46 | |
| ♪ Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine ♪ | 16:48 | |
| ♪ Freedom ♪ | 16:55 | |
| ♪ Freedom ♪ | 16:56 | |
| ♪ Freedom ♪ | 16:58 | |
| ♪ Freedom ♪ | 16:59 | |
| ♪ Freedom ♪ | 17:01 | |
| ♪ Freedom ♪ | 17:02 | |
| ♪ Freedom ♪ | 17:04 | |
| (crowd singing and chanting) | 17:05 | |
| ♪ Mmmm ♪ | 17:21 | |
| ♪ Freedom ♪ | 17:23 | |
| ♪ We are climbing Jacob's ladder ♪ | 17:32 | |
| ♪ We are climbing Jacob's ladder ♪ | 17:39 | |
| ♪ We are climbing Jacob's ladder ♪ | 17:50 | |
| ♪ Soldiers of the cross. ♪ | 18:01 | |
| ♪ We are climbing Jacob's ladder ♪ | 18:10 | |
| ♪ We are climbing Jacob's ladder ♪ | 18:21 | |
| ♪ We are climbing Jacob's ladder ♪ | 18:32 | |
| ♪ Soldiers of the cross. ♪ | 18:44 | |
| - | I'd like to say that one of my white brothers, | 18:52 |
| (inaudible) quite frequently, it's thick, | 18:54 | |
| and he's still thinking that his wallet's thick, | 18:57 | |
| so he donates one dollar | 19:00 | |
| that's Reverend Anderson, made the (faint speaking). | 19:01 | |
| Now, anybody got an announcement they wanna make, | 19:06 | |
| just an announcement, and we're gonna close. | 19:08 | |
| - | I would like to announce that on Friday afternoon, | 19:10 |
| on Friday afternoon we are asking all the students, | 19:15 | |
| and all the helpers in the entire team | 19:20 | |
| that have been working with us in East Albany, | 19:24 | |
| we wanna meet Friday afternoon at 5:30 | 19:26 | |
| at the Mount Olive Baptist Church number two, | 19:30 | |
| and from there we will canvas for about an hour, | 19:33 | |
| about 10 minutes of selling, or 15 minutes of selling, | 19:38 | |
| we will knock off. | 19:41 | |
| And if you have any night appointments | 19:43 | |
| of course you will be free to fill them, | 19:45 | |
| but by all means, let us work Friday afternoon | 19:49 | |
| to get up our task. | 19:54 | |
| And for Saturday, Saturday we expect to rise early, | 19:56 | |
| about 7:00 on Saturday. | 20:03 | |
| - | The ground breaking of the (mumbling) will begin | 20:06 |
| Sunday at 2:30, 2:45, | 20:11 | |
| (faintly speaking) | 20:15 | |
| ♪ Overcome ♪ | 20:29 | |
| ♪ We shall overcome ♪ | 20:34 | |
| ♪ We shall overcome ♪ | 20:41 | |
| ♪ Someday ♪ | 20:46 | |
| ♪ Oh deep in my heart ♪ | 20:52 | |
| ♪ I know that ♪ | 20:59 | |
| ♪ I do believe ♪ | 21:02 | |
| ♪ Oh, we shall overcome ♪ | 21:07 | |
| ♪ Someday ♪ | 21:14 | |
| - | Black and white together. | 21:16 |
| ♪ Black and white together ♪ | 21:18 | |
| ♪ Black and white together ♪ | 21:25 | |
| ♪ Black and white together ♪ | 21:32 | |
| ♪ Oh, deep in my heart ♪ | 21:43 | |
| ♪ I know that ♪ | 21:50 | |
| ♪ I do believe ♪ | 21:52 | |
| ♪ Oh, we shall overcome ♪ | 21:57 | |
| ♪ Someday ♪ | 22:04 | |
| - | God is on our side. | 22:06 |
| ♪ God is on our side ♪ | 22:09 | |
| ♪ God is on our side ♪ | 22:15 | |
| ♪ God is on our side ♪ | 22:22 | |
| ♪ Today ♪ | 22:27 | |
| ♪ Oh, deep in my heart ♪ | 22:32 | |
| ♪ I know that ♪ | 22:39 | |
| ♪ I do believe ♪ | 22:42 | |
| ♪ Oh, we shall overcome ♪ | 22:46 | |
| ♪ Someday ♪ | 22:53 | |
| (crowd humming to the tune of We Shall Overcome) | 22:58 | |
| ♪ We shall overcome ♪ | 23:48 | |
| ♪ We shall overcome ♪ | 23:54 | |
| ♪ We shall overcome ♪ | 24:00 | |
| ♪ Someday ♪ | 24:05 | |
| ♪ Oh, deep in my heart ♪ | 24:11 | |
| ♪ I know that ♪ | 24:17 | |
| ♪ I do believe ♪ | 24:19 | |
| ♪ Oh, we shall overcome ♪ | 24:24 | |
| ♪ Someday ♪ | 24:30 | |
| - | We walked around downtown, and so, | 24:56 |
| well, that's a wonderful thing, | 25:00 | |
| even in Albany where a lot of people have gone to jail. | 25:02 | |
| Now, last Wednesday night | 25:07 | |
| we left after the Terrell meeting | 25:13 | |
| and went to Nashville, Tennessee to this conference, | 25:17 | |
| many of you have been listening to parts of the tapes of it. | 25:20 | |
| To me the most beautiful part of the conference | 25:25 | |
| was the chance that we had | 25:27 | |
| to meet many of the people, | 25:31 | |
| particularly those working in Mississippi. | 25:33 | |
| About 10 or 15 of the boys working with SNCC in Mississippi | 25:36 | |
| came to the conference, | 25:43 | |
| and we had a chance to talk to them and share our ideas, | 25:45 | |
| and feelings, and just get to know them as people. | 25:48 | |
| We had heard the names, some of them we had read | 25:53 | |
| had been chased across a roof by a lynch mob at one point, | 25:57 | |
| but they were just names, and now they're people. | 26:02 | |
| And so we learned about Mississippi, | 26:07 | |
| and got even more of a feeling | 26:10 | |
| of a whole movement across the South, | 26:11 | |
| and they learned about Southwest Georgia and all of you, | 26:15 | |
| and sometime soon they hope to come here | 26:19 | |
| and be able to meet you all, | 26:21 | |
| same as sometime we wanna go to Mississippi | 26:24 | |
| and see firsthand exactly what they're doing | 26:27 | |
| and where they're heading. | 26:31 | |
| We got ideas from them, and they got ideas from us, | 26:32 | |
| which they will be sharing with the people there | 26:38 | |
| as we will share them with you, | 26:40 | |
| and see what you feel about them. | 26:41 | |
| That's what I have to say about the conference, | 26:46 | |
| the rest of the people who went there | 26:48 | |
| will have something to say too, | 26:50 | |
| but to me that was the most wonderful part | 26:52 | |
| of those four days. | 26:54 | |
| (audience applauding) | 26:58 | |
| - | Does somebody else like to have something to say? | 27:02 |
| (faint speaking) | 27:13 | |
| - | On Saturday night while we, | 27:23 |
| many of us that are here, was away to the conference, | 27:24 | |
| the Ku Klux Klan held a meeting on private property | 27:27 | |
| and sent a member to Dougherty County. | 27:31 | |
| And across from the Klan's meeting, | 27:33 | |
| a group of peoples from Albany formed a target there | 27:38 | |
| to keep the Klans from crossing over, | 27:44 | |
| to run across in front of Dr. Anderson's house. | 27:46 | |
| The Klans had asked to parade, | 27:50 | |
| and Pritchard refused to give them permit to parade, | 27:53 | |
| so they were calling him all kind of names | 27:57 | |
| and saying that he was a nigger lover, | 27:59 | |
| but he stood beside the Negroes and told them that | 28:01 | |
| not to pry at them, | 28:04 | |
| but if they would cross the lines (faintly speaking). | 28:05 | |
| (crowd applauding) | 28:09 | |
| - | Now, if I see this preacher, | 28:14 |
| I'd like to give something to him. | 28:21 | |
| Everybody I see who will look that way, | 28:22 | |
| they'd know something all about this. | 28:24 | |
| (audience laughing) | 28:26 | |
| (audience applauding) | 28:35 | |
| - | There just isn't very much that I can say, | 28:43 |
| except that it's very, very good to be back home, | 28:47 | |
| even though I'm just here for a short time | 28:52 | |
| and have to go right back. | 28:55 | |
| But today I was able to spend some time in Terrell County, | 28:57 | |
| and here's the most wonderful thing | 29:05 | |
| that has happened to me in two months, | 29:06 | |
| and I came around to see some of you, | 29:09 | |
| and it was really like a real homecoming. | 29:11 | |
| And well, all I can say is that | 29:16 | |
| during the time that I've been away from you, | 29:21 | |
| I suppose I found out even more than I even understood | 29:24 | |
| when I was here just how much I really love you, | 29:28 | |
| and how much I really care. | 29:32 | |
| I scan the newspapers every day, | 29:36 | |
| or just anything that will give me news of you | 29:38 | |
| and what you're doing, because you are really my family, | 29:42 | |
| and this is our struggle together. | 29:46 | |
| And so to know that you are well | 29:51 | |
| and that your spirit is high, | 29:54 | |
| and that even though your bodies may be tired | 29:55 | |
| your spirits aren't, it means an awful lot, | 29:59 | |
| 'cause it means that home is alright anyhow. | 30:03 | |
| And everywhere I go, and since I've been home, | 30:06 | |
| I've really gone a lot of places. | 30:11 | |
| The day that I got home | 30:13 | |
| Philadelphia was in an uproar. | 30:16 | |
| Everyone, and I do mean everyone, | 30:19 | |
| had heard about Terrell County. | 30:22 | |
| People were calling the house | 30:26 | |
| to find out what was going on, | 30:29 | |
| and were really very deeply concerned, | 30:30 | |
| and that Sunday, I went home on Wednesday, | 30:34 | |
| and that Sunday we had a rally in Philadelphia, | 30:36 | |
| and 2500 people came because they were interested, | 30:40 | |
| and because they cared. | 30:46 | |
| So everywhere that I've gone, really since I've been home, | 30:50 | |
| I've just really been telling people about you, | 30:53 | |
| and you gave me so much to tell them. | 30:56 | |
| There isn't a place that I speak | 31:02 | |
| that I can't tell about our sorrow; | 31:03 | |
| Paul in silence, bound in jail, | 31:07 | |
| had no money to pay their bail, | 31:09 | |
| but you keep your eye on that prize and hold on. | 31:11 | |
| I just can't really not share that with them | 31:17 | |
| because that, and the spirit and all that it means, | 31:21 | |
| you gave to me, and it means so much. | 31:25 | |
| It means so much that I realize | 31:30 | |
| that I couldn't stay away from you forever, | 31:33 | |
| and that even two months left me very anxious | 31:36 | |
| to get back down here, and to get back on the field, | 31:40 | |
| and to get back to talking about voter registration. | 31:42 | |
| And I've talked about it so much | 31:47 | |
| that two of my friends have decided that when I come back | 31:49 | |
| they wanna come back with me. | 31:52 | |
| So in February, as soon as this term of school is over, | 31:55 | |
| I hope very much to be back | 32:00 | |
| (speaking drowned out by coughing) | 32:02 | |
| and to be here for a long time. | 32:03 | |
| (audience applauding) | 32:07 | |
| - | Alright, does anybody-- | 32:14 |
| - | I would like | |
| to say something about this young lady | 32:15 | |
| that just left the floor to sit down. | 32:19 | |
| Now, I hope somebody will give you the full report today, | 32:24 | |
| action and experiences that we had in conflicts, | 32:29 | |
| but this young lady that just sat down, | 32:38 | |
| she told a story | 32:45 | |
| that I witnessed with her in Tennessee, | 32:50 | |
| that I have already told, I've already told it, | 32:57 | |
| and of course it just happened, | 33:03 | |
| but the story itself is already at work. | 33:07 | |
| This young lady told a story that, | 33:16 | |
| in a report of an incident, in a report. | 33:21 | |
| After we had demonstrated (inaudible) | 33:28 | |
| to the church to make the report, | 33:33 | |
| this young lady told of three different moods | 33:37 | |
| that she went in, and over a short period of time, | 33:46 | |
| and they served, they served, I used it, | 33:53 | |
| even this week, to tell a story or two | 33:58 | |
| about nonviolence. | 34:04 | |
| She told that she stood on the side edge of this sidewalk, | 34:08 | |
| of not being too sure of herself as to go forward | 34:17 | |
| into the demonstration, they were (inaudible) 'em, | 34:27 | |
| and fist-fighting, and they were, | 34:31 | |
| our people took a lot of punishment. | 34:36 | |
| And the young lady said that | 34:39 | |
| she wasn't too sure of herself, that was one mood, | 34:44 | |
| keep nonviolence in your mind. | 34:52 | |
| She didn't know whether she was strong enough | 34:56 | |
| nonviolent | 35:02 | |
| So a young man were beaten, one of our men were beaten, | 35:07 | |
| right there as she stood on the walk, | 35:14 | |
| and this, she went into another mood, | 35:20 | |
| and this one, she wanted to go forward. | 35:24 | |
| Not nonviolent, but she wanted to go forward, | 35:30 | |
| there was a little something, | 35:38 | |
| like a little violent mood she went into, | 35:40 | |
| and I hope she'll correct me if I missed the story, | 35:46 | |
| now this is the report, now I could miss something, | 35:50 | |
| but now this is what I got. | 35:53 | |
| So here she comes, at this mood, she wants to go forward, | 35:56 | |
| she wants to go forward, and she did, | 36:01 | |
| and as she stood there demonstrating | 36:07 | |
| and attempting to go in the place | 36:10 | |
| where the men were holding the door to keep us out, | 36:13 | |
| and of course as she would make attempts to go in, | 36:18 | |
| at one time she were pushed, and she were pushed, | 36:23 | |
| a white man coming in the store, a big, husky, 200-pounder, | 36:31 | |
| clubs her in the face. | 36:40 | |
| This put her in the third mood, | 36:48 | |
| and this is why I use this story this week. | 36:52 | |
| She comes to the third mood, and at this point she said | 36:56 | |
| she never had the feeling of nonviolent as such, | 37:02 | |
| but she pitied the man, | 37:08 | |
| and this is really the story | 37:11 | |
| of the nonviolence at its best. | 37:17 | |
| At this point she could see that a man who could get up, | 37:25 | |
| have enough nerve, a big, husky man, to strike a woman | 37:31 | |
| like this, he deserved pity. | 37:38 | |
| And so one of my friends, so that went the story. | 37:44 | |
| Now, did I get the right, where I miss the story? | 37:49 | |
| I'm right. | 37:54 | |
| Now, one of my friends told me | 37:56 | |
| that he didn't see where he could be nonviolent, | 38:00 | |
| and I use this story. | 38:05 | |
| But this is truly, this is truly what I feel like | 38:08 | |
| is a worthwhile lesson in the light of nonviolence, | 38:17 | |
| that we can see that our brothers are sick, they need pity. | 38:24 | |
| (audience applauding) | 38:35 | |
| - | Alright, does anybody else in the building, | 38:39 |
| anybody like to say anything? | 38:41 | |
| We'd like to hear from you too. | 38:44 | |
| - | I would like to say this one thing | 38:50 |
| in connection to what he said about Reverend Snead, | 38:51 | |
| and Reverend Snead is some progressive farmer, | 38:53 | |
| he's very interested in farming, | 39:01 | |
| and most of all he's interested in himself. | 39:05 | |
| And he is the kinda man that would want just that much | 39:11 | |
| of his back, and he could give it to somebody. | 39:16 | |
| And through the years, as a minister, | 39:21 | |
| he has been the type of person | 39:26 | |
| that gave out some information | 39:30 | |
| in most of his sermons, I think. | 39:33 | |
| They were not necessarily concerned with voter registration, | 39:36 | |
| or civil rights, or with social justice, | 39:39 | |
| but in cases where they refer to living a good life, | 39:47 | |
| or becoming economically independent, | 39:54 | |
| they had some significance, and they were to the point, | 40:00 | |
| I think, and they were information in that respect. | 40:05 | |
| But he has had the weakness as a minister | 40:11 | |
| of accepting this system totally, | 40:18 | |
| and it has-- | 40:24 |
| - | (inaudible). | 0:02 |
| - | Say something else. | 0:04 |
| (mumbling) | 0:06 | |
| - | What's your name? | 0:09 |
| - | Say Cheryl. | 0:10 |
| - | Cheryl. | |
| - | Take your hand out your mouth. | 0:12 |
| - | Cheryl. | 0:13 |
| - | Say Cheryl. | 0:15 |
| - | Cheryl. | 0:16 |
| - | Cheryl what? | |
| - | Say Cheryl Depscumb. | 0:17 |
| - | Cheryl Deps. | 0:18 |
| - | And my mother's in Florida. | 0:21 |
| - | My mother's in Florida. | 0:22 |
| - | And I'm her oldest girl. | 0:25 |
| - | I'm her little girl. | 0:26 |
| - | I do love my mother. | 0:29 |
| - | I do love my mother. | 0:30 |
| - | She nice to me. | 0:32 |
| - | She nice to me. | 0:34 |
| - | But I live with my grandparents. | 0:36 |
| - | I live with my grandparents. | 0:38 |
| - | And they give me a good whoopin'. | 0:41 |
| - | They give me a good whoopin. | 0:43 |
| (laughing) | 0:44 | |
| - | And they try to raise me the best they can. | 0:47 |
| - | They try to raise the best they can. | 0:49 |
| - | Is that true? | 0:52 |
| - | And I'm a sweet girl. | |
| - | I'm a sweet girl. | 0:54 |
| - | And I can sure do that Twist. | 0:57 |
| - | I can (laughing). | 0:59 |
| - | I can sure do the Twist. | 1:05 |
| (mumbling) | 1:07 | |
| - | I don't what to say. | 1:11 |
| - | You wanna go to-- | 1:12 |
| (speakers drowning each other out) | 1:13 | |
| - | Say my aunties live in New York. | 1:15 |
| - | My aunties live in New York. | 1:17 |
| - | And I'm plannin' on taking a trip. | 1:19 |
| - | I'm plannin' on taking-- | 1:21 |
| - | Going to see my auntie. | 1:23 |
| - | Gonna see my auntie. | 1:24 |
| - | Let me ask you a few questions. | 1:27 |
| - | All right. | 1:28 |
| - | Do you remember my name? | 1:29 |
| It's Larry. | 1:31 | |
| - | Larry. | 1:33 |
| - | Uh-huh. | 1:34 |
| - | Hold on, now. | 1:35 |
| Tell me, do you wanna go to school someday? | 1:37 | |
| - | Mm-hmm. | 1:40 |
| - | You do? | 1:42 |
| Where are you gonna go to school? | 1:43 | |
| - | Right over there. | 1:44 |
| - | What's the name of that school? | 1:46 |
| - | I don't know. | 1:47 |
| - | Martin Jr. Elementary. | 1:48 |
| - | Martin Jr. Elementary. | 1:50 |
| - | Go sit here and talk. | 1:54 |
| (mumbling) | 1:56 | |
| Talk loud. | 1:56 | |
| - | You're gonna be in the first grade next year, huh? | 1:58 |
| (laughing) | 2:00 | |
| - | Yes. | 2:01 |
| - | Sure is. | |
| - | What's this dog's name? | 2:03 |
| What's this dog's name here? | 2:05 | |
| - | What's his name? | 2:08 |
| - | I don't know. | 2:10 |
| - | Say (mumbling). | 2:11 |
| (rooster crowing) | 2:12 | |
| - | What's your name? | 2:13 |
| - | (inaudible). | 2:15 |
| - | Oh yeah. | 2:16 |
| - | Yeah. | |
| - | And how old are you? | 2:17 |
| - | Four. | 2:18 |
| - | Four. | |
| - | Four years old (laughing). | 2:21 |
| - | Yeah! | 2:22 |
| - | Where you from? | 2:23 |
| - | Huh? | 2:24 |
| - | Where you from? | 2:25 |
| (rooster crowing) | 2:26 | |
| - | Florida. | 2:27 |
| - | Florida. | |
| - | What city do you live in, do you know? | 2:29 |
| - | Say Titusville, Florida. | 2:30 |
| - | Titusville, Florida. | |
| (laughing) | 2:33 | |
| - | Don't hold your head back like that. | 2:35 |
| You can talk. | 2:36 | |
| - | What's that you got in your hand there? | 2:37 |
| - | Huh? | 2:38 |
| - | What's that you got in your hand? | 2:39 |
| - | Gun. | 2:40 |
| - | A gun. | 2:42 |
| - | Yes. | |
| - | Hold up. | 2:44 |
| - | You like that don't you? | |
| - | Yeah. | 2:46 |
| - | Say I go to school. | 2:47 |
| - | I go school. | |
| - | I know my ABCs. | 2:49 |
| You know your ABC. | 2:51 | |
| - | ABC. | |
| - | This goes back. | 2:54 |
| - | Now you know you can talk. | |
| He gets even more talk. | 2:57 | |
| - | Time. | 3:00 |
| - | No, you out, now. | 3:01 |
| You wouldn't talk-- | 3:03 | |
| - | Luther. | 3:04 |
| (mumbling) | 3:05 | |
| Say something. | 3:07 | |
| Now it's your turn, yeah. | 3:08 | |
| - | Yeah. | 3:09 |
| - | Right here. | 3:10 |
| - | Hey. | |
| - | Is that what-- | 3:11 |
| - | What do you wanna be when you grow up? | 3:12 |
| - | Huh? | 3:14 |
| - | What do you wanna be when you grow up? | 3:15 |
| - | (mumbling) go home. | 3:18 |
| - | Petting my puppy. | 3:20 |
| (laughing) | 3:23 | |
| - | Puppy? | 3:25 |
| - | Yeah. | |
| - | You got a puppy at home? | 3:26 |
| - | Yeah. | 3:26 |
| - | How big is that puppy? | 3:27 |
| - | Little. | 3:28 |
| - | Little puppy. | |
| How 'bout the puppy's name? | 3:30 | |
| - | Huh? | 3:31 |
| - | I said what's the puppy's name? | 3:32 |
| - | I don't know. | 3:34 |
| - | You don't know his name? | 3:35 |
| You even haven't gave him a name yet? | 3:36 | |
| - | No. | 3:37 |
| - | You gotta give him a name, right? | 3:38 |
| - | Yeah. | 3:39 |
| - | What you gonna name him? | 3:40 |
| - | I don't know. | 3:44 |
| - | You gonna name him Rin Tin Tin or Lassie? | 3:45 |
| - | Yeah. | 3:47 |
| - | Or Bo Diddly or something? | 3:48 |
| - | Yeah. | 3:50 |
| - | All right, all right. | 3:52 |
| - | Say what you said before about the machine. | 3:54 |
| - | That's the ABCs | 3:57 |
| - | Huh? | 3:59 |
| - | Say this thing. | 4:00 |
| - | No. | 4:03 |
| (laughing) | 4:04 | |
| - | Let me ask you a question, very good. | 4:08 |
| - | I gotta sister. | 4:09 |
| - | Gotta sister? | 4:11 |
| - | Gotta sister? | |
| - | Yeah. | 4:12 |
| - | How 'bout that? | 4:13 |
| - | Bigger than you | |
| or smaller? | 4:14 | |
| - | Small. | 4:16 |
| - | Smaller? | 4:17 |
| - | Smaller? | |
| - | Yeah. | 4:18 |
| - | You beat her up? | |
| - | No. | 4:19 |
| - | You don't beat her up? | 4:20 |
| - | No. | 4:21 |
| - | You treat her nice, huh? | 4:22 |
| - | Yeah. | 4:23 |
| - | Should. | |
| - | All right. | 4:24 |
| - | You treat her nice? | 4:25 |
| - | Uh-huh. | 4:26 |
| - | That's good! | |
| That's good. That's my boy. | 4:27 | |
| All right. | 4:29 | |
| - | Okay. | |
| - | Don't you ever throw anything at her? | 4:31 |
| - | Yeah. | 4:32 |
| (laughing) | 4:33 | |
| - | Uh-oh. | 4:34 |
| We're getting somewhere now. | 4:37 | |
| - | Yeah. | 4:39 |
| - | Say my sister's named Peg. | 4:41 |
| - | My sister name Peg. | 4:42 |
| - | You have a little girl named Debbie. | 4:43 |
| - | A little girl named Debbie. | 4:45 |
| - | Debbie? | 4:47 |
| - | Yeah. | |
| - | And his daddy's name Jessie Poder. | 4:49 |
| - | And daddy's name Jessie Poder. | 4:51 |
| - | And your mother's name. | 4:54 |
| - | Teresa. | 4:56 |
| - | Teresa. | 4:57 |
| - | Teresa. | |
| - | Teresa Poser. | 4:59 |
| - | Teresa Poser. | |
| - | And they all live in Titusville, Florida. | 5:01 |
| - | All live in Titusville, Florida. | 5:04 |
| (laughing) | 5:07 | |
| - | What do you wanna be when you grow up? | 5:09 |
| Do you know? | 5:13 | |
| - | Uh-uh. | 5:14 |
| - | A footballer. | 5:15 |
| - | Football player. | |
| - | Football player, all right. | 5:17 |
| - | Yeah. | 5:18 |
| - | You gonna be a man. | |
| (laughing) | 5:19 | |
| That's what my boy told me when I asked him | 5:21 | |
| what he wanted be when he grow up. | 5:22 | |
| I wanna be a man. | 5:23 | |
| - | Huh? | 5:24 |
| - | We'll play it back now. | 5:26 |
| You'll hear your voice. | 5:27 | |
| - | Yeah. | 5:28 |
| - | Okay? | |
| - | Yeah. | 5:30 |
| - | I'd rather wear them than leave. | 5:32 |
| He didn't even admit that because | 5:33 | |
| what the attorney was trying to do was | 5:35 | |
| to get him to admit to tie in this serve of discrimination. | 5:38 | |
| See, they had already gotten together and met | 5:44 | |
| and there (inaudible) | 5:48 | |
| legal outlet at the time. | 5:51 | |
| Although, when you go up to the Secretary of State, here, | 5:54 | |
| the next appeal -- it's already in now. | 5:58 | |
| But even the third appeal, they give you courage, too. | 6:03 | |
| Send any papers along supporting your | 6:08 | |
| You know, your side. | 6:16 | |
| My whole feeling about the whole thing was | 6:24 | |
| that due to the fact I called the supervisor | 6:27 | |
| before work time. | 6:30 | |
| Made it. | 6:35 | |
| Actually authorized leave, because he spoke to him-- | 6:37 | |
| - | What did he say at that time? | 6:41 |
| - | At that time, he said now, Wells-- | 6:42 |
| - | It's on the phone, right? | 6:45 |
| - | It's on the phone. | 6:46 |
| He said, "You do not have any leave." | 6:48 | |
| Now see, now that means, | 6:51 | |
| You see I attend this superior court, | 6:55 | |
| this court here, in a week. | 6:58 | |
| I attended that court a week without pay. | 7:01 | |
| I used up all my leave. | 7:06 | |
| I attended the court without pay. | 7:08 | |
| So they took out a week | 7:11 | |
| because I had no leave. | 7:13 | |
| Well, at this time, I told 'em, I say, | 7:17 | |
| Well, I'm gonna work | 7:20 | |
| the fact that I do not have any leave. | 7:22 | |
| But all I'm calling for is that you may authorize me | 7:24 | |
| to be off because I have got to go to court. | 7:28 | |
| And he said, "All right." | 7:32 | |
| Said, "What you do is you bring me the subpoena | 7:34 | |
| "when you come." | 7:36 | |
| Yet, when I come, the first thing he states | 7:38 | |
| to me is the fact I've been down to the police station. | 7:42 | |
| And according to your record, I don't think you deserve | 7:47 | |
| me granting you leave. | 7:51 | |
| Yet, in writing and in the hearing, he did not say. | 7:52 | |
| He didn't say this. | 7:58 | |
| He do not make this statement, yet, that he gives me | 8:00 | |
| that this is the basis on which I am basing my decision. | 8:03 | |
| And yet, in the hearing, he said, "Unauthorized leave." | 8:10 | |
| - | Did CB ask him if you'd been to the police station? | 8:14 |
| Did CB call him-- | 8:16 | |
| - | Oh, yes, and he admitting it in the hearing. | 8:17 |
| He admitted it in the hearing. | 8:19 | |
| - | That he had been-- | 8:21 |
| - | And this is in black and white. | 8:21 |
| And yet, this senior officer, now this is a hearing | 8:24 | |
| before a senior officer with the rank of-- | 8:27 | |
| - | Major or something. | 8:31 |
| - | Major. | 8:32 |
| Yes, a major. | 8:33 | |
| And he upheld this manager. | 8:36 | |
| - | Where is this manager from? | 8:39 |
| Georgia? | 8:41 | |
| - | He's a Southerner. | 8:42 |
| He said he had talked with String King afterward, | 8:45 | |
| appealing me up for the kill, that's to say that | 8:49 | |
| he could not go along with the fact. | 8:52 | |
| or with whatever the other way | 8:57 | |
| the other men went, he had to go along. | 9:01 | |
| He actioned that this is before the decision, | 9:03 | |
| on the grounds, where did he cope? | 9:06 | |
| Hell. | 9:09 | |
| He talked with the attorney and almost admit | 9:10 | |
| that the decision were gonna be less like it was | 9:13 | |
| because he said that he tried to cover up | 9:17 | |
| that he had been in the Army and the service | 9:20 | |
| and he had found he and his wife were writing | 9:23 | |
| a book about some courageous, 20 courageous men | 9:26 | |
| in Korea that were colored. | 9:31 | |
| In other words, he's just showing me that, | 9:36 | |
| he's trying to show my attorney how he was just all of this | 9:38 | |
| and he wasn't just violent. | 9:43 | |
| His decision wasn't going to be based on discrimination | 9:45 | |
| in other words, this was to build up the kill. | 9:50 | |
| That's what the attorney told us. | 9:52 | |
| But this is the (inaudible) | 9:54 | |
| And just exactly where he told me he were from | 9:59 | |
| I don't remember now. | 10:02 | |
| - | How long ago was this? | 10:04 |
| - | Oh, this was about two weeks ago. | 10:06 |
| Two weeks. | 10:10 | |
| About three weeks ago. | 10:11 | |
| Three weeks ago 'cause I've been, sorta came down Monday. | 10:12 | |
| They handed me a letter saying that I was to be suspended | 10:18 | |
| four or five days because of the unauthorized leave. | 10:22 | |
| Of course I gave it to the attorney. | 10:28 | |
| If we win, now, then they've got to pay me for this time. | 10:32 | |
| If we win the appeal. | 10:38 | |
| That's the way it works. | 10:41 | |
| - | What do you feel now? | 10:43 |
| What's the court? | 10:45 | |
| - | Well, I think this is in Atlanta. | 10:46 |
| - | Okay. | 10:48 |
| This isn't a federal court, is it? | 10:49 | |
| - | No, this isn't federal, but no, it isn't a federal. | 10:51 |
| It's the Commission. | 10:54 | |
| The Civil Service Commission. | 10:57 | |
| - | Oh, Civil Service. | 10:58 |
| - | Now that's where we'll find the end of it. | 10:59 |
| I mean that we'll finally go to the Civil Service Commission | 11:04 | |
| in Washington, but right now, we going to Atlanta. | 11:08 | |
| Then we go from Atlanta to Washington. | 11:11 | |
| If they turn us down, then we can go to Washington. | 11:16 | |
| - | Right. | 11:19 |
| (mumbling) | 11:21 | |
| - | Probably come out on top, right? | 11:22 |
| - | The attorney thinks we have a good thing. | 11:24 |
| He really don't feel like we can lose. | 11:27 | |
| They admitted I called 'em before work time. | 11:30 | |
| And it's just I guess (inaudible). | 11:36 | |
| And I heard they'd be in court today. | 11:38 | |
| - | Could they pull something like, | 11:43 |
| You have no right to go and get arrested? | 11:45 | |
| - | But now, if they said that, that's one thing. | 11:47 |
| He said I feel that anybody who go down to be arrested | 11:50 | |
| or go to be arrested, or put himself in-- | 12:00 | |
| (mumbling) | 12:02 | |
| to be arrested, I don't think they should be considered | 12:04 | |
| as such, but fair, that could be used in my favor | 12:08 | |
| because I'm an American citizen and I'm a free man | 12:14 | |
| and I can go anywhere, or any public place I desire. | 12:19 | |
| So said the Supreme Court of the land. | 12:24 | |
| I can go in any public place that have a license | 12:27 | |
| to serve the public. | 12:31 | |
| And so, right there, that could be used in my favor. | 12:33 | |
| - | Yep. | 12:37 |
| - | That's right. | 12:38 |
| They had no right to make you. | 12:39 | |
| - | I don't go make a mess. | 12:40 |
| I shouldn't be asking for arrest by going | 12:41 | |
| in a public place that have license to serve the public. | 12:45 | |
| - | It's his right. | 12:50 |
| (mumbling) | 12:51 | |
| - | Then again, he can always say that you knew | 12:52 |
| you would be arrested. | 12:55 | |
| (mumbling) | 12:56 | |
| - | No, you couldn't say that. | 12:57 |
| If you go downtown to a restaurant, you don't know | 12:59 | |
| you gonna get arrested. | 13:04 | |
| This is-- | 13:06 | |
| - | Even if you know, how? | 13:07 |
| - | Yeah. | 13:09 |
| - | This is out of the court, man. | 13:10 |
| When my file came up. | 13:14 | |
| I was arrested in a (inaudible) at a little house | 13:16 | |
| in the back. | 13:21 | |
| And went back to be served. | 13:22 | |
| You know at that demonstration. | 13:24 | |
| I went back I sat down. | 13:25 | |
| I sneaked in. | 13:26 | |
| (laughing) | 13:27 | |
| I went back and sat down. | 13:28 | |
| So Jack had asked me to leave. | 13:29 | |
| I say, "I don't wanna leave until I get served." | 13:32 | |
| I said, "I came here to get served. | 13:34 | |
| "I wanna Coke." | 13:36 | |
| He said, "You don't be gettin' no Coke or nothing less. | 13:38 | |
| "You gonna get outta here, or I'm gonna call the police." | 13:41 | |
| So he called the police. | 13:42 | |
| These guys got arrested. | 13:44 | |
| Then the juries came back, I mean the prosecutor clerk, | 13:46 | |
| he asked me, "Why were you there?" | 13:50 | |
| Said, "I was there to get a Coke." | 13:52 | |
| I said, (mumbling) "it's hot. | 13:53 | |
| "I went in there to get a Coke to refresh myself." | 13:55 | |
| I said it like this, you know. | 13:58 | |
| He got all prissy and (mumbling). | 14:00 | |
| I went in to get a Coke to refresh myself, | 14:02 | |
| you know what I mean? | 14:04 | |
| And the guy arrested me. | 14:05 | |
| I don't know why he arrested me. | 14:06 | |
| I didn't do anything wrong. | 14:07 | |
| I was clean. | 14:09 | |
| I was decent. | 14:10 | |
| Why was I arrested? | 14:13 | |
| - | What happened? | 14:14 |
| - | Well, about (mumbling) district. | 14:15 |
| (laughing) | 14:18 | |
| This is the law. | 14:20 | |
| Police matched it. | 14:23 | |
| It was about 75 years old. | 14:25 | |
| - | This is in Carroll or Charleston? | 14:27 |
| - | Charleston. | 14:29 |
| He has an 1800s sense of humor. | 14:30 | |
| (laughing) | 14:32 | |
| (mumbling) | 14:33 | |
| - | What did he say? | 14:34 |
| - | (mumbling) | 14:35 |
| Most of us that were arrested. | 14:36 | |
| Chris and Carol and (inaudible) were seniors in high school. | 14:39 | |
| They were 17. | 14:44 | |
| And then he was puzzled over the fact that they were 17. | 14:45 | |
| They're seniors. | 14:48 | |
| He kept telling the Court graduated from high school | 14:50 | |
| when he was 21 years old. | 14:52 | |
| And I was saying (mumbling). | 14:53 | |
| - | Court graduated from high school? | 14:55 |
| - | Yeah, talking about hisself. | 14:57 |
| - | The Court was 21 years old? | 14:59 |
| - | 21 years old. | 15:01 |
| This is how (mumbling). | 15:02 | |
| - | You should ask the Court what the heck happened to him. | 15:04 |
| (laughing) | 15:05 | |
| What happened to the Court that he dragged it-- | 15:07 | |
| (speakers drowning each other out) | 15:09 | |
| 21 years old. | 15:11 | |
| Was the Court stupid? | 15:11 | |
| (laughing) | 15:13 | |
| - | Had to hear it. | 15:18 |
| The lawyer could have said up there, "how many grades did | 15:19 | |
| the Court fail?" | 15:20 | |
| - | Yeah. | 15:21 |
| - | There was one more. | 15:23 |
| There was one more, little guy, was 14. | 15:25 | |
| No, no, no, no. | 15:28 | |
| He was 17, a senior. | 15:29 | |
| And the judge was looking at his so-called record. | 15:31 | |
| Reached out and said, "You mean your mother was 14 | 15:36 | |
| "when she had you?" | 15:38 | |
| Pulling at this stop like that, you know. | 15:40 | |
| But he was outta sight. | 15:42 | |
| - | It's none of the Court's business. | 15:49 |
| - | No. | 15:50 |
| - | That's amazing that they bring that up. | 15:51 |
| - | Yeah, it is crap. | 15:52 |
| - | Bring this into the case. | 15:54 |
| - | Yeah. | 15:55 |
| - | That's easier to say. | 15:56 |
| (speakers drowning each other out) | 15:57 | |
| - | His mother was 14 when he born, he's guilty. | 15:59 |
| (laughing) | 16:01 | |
| - | I was 14 when I was born. | 16:05 |
| - | Charles Thorne, the local chairman who took care | 16:08 |
| of a student of (inaudible) funeral meeting | 16:11 | |
| was arrested on a traffic violation. | 16:14 | |
| They picked his lights. | 16:18 | |
| - | It was during the day. | 16:21 |
| (laughing) | 16:22 | |
| - | He was walking! | 16:24 |
| - | At any rate-- | 16:27 |
| - | They're in a flat zone. | 16:29 |
| - | At any rate, he came up and the judge was asking him | 16:30 |
| why was he in Missouri. | 16:33 | |
| And he told him, he goes to tell him that | 16:35 | |
| he buses people from Detroit, Michigan down | 16:37 | |
| to see a demonstration. | 16:41 | |
| And he was arrested, you know. | 16:43 | |
| And he pleaded guilty, and all this. | 16:44 | |
| And judge comment on a bad speech. | 16:49 | |
| He made a very good speech. | 16:51 | |
| I'm proud of you and all this crap. | 16:53 | |
| (laughing) | 16:54 | |
| Boy this guy's up again. | 16:56 | |
| He gonna find you guilty. | 16:58 | |
| He gonna find you guilty. | 17:00 | |
| You see, he found me guilty. | 17:03 | |
| I was out on the road, but downtown, | 17:04 | |
| so why did they hit my car with a rock. | 17:09 | |
| (inaudible) | 17:12 | |
| my presence there made his day. | 17:14 | |
| (laughing drowning out speakers) | 17:16 | |
| (mumbling) we call it a rock. | 17:20 | |
| I'm gonna find you guilty. | 17:26 | |
| - | That's what the police were doing the night of the shooting | 17:27 |
| They said it was my fault. | 17:30 | |
| (laughing) | 17:31 | |
| A regular shot like that. | 17:33 | |
| - | You right to use (mumbling). | 17:34 |
| (laughing) | 17:37 | |
| (mumbling) | 17:38 | |
| - | A picture of David Wells. | 17:44 |
| They're gonna need an encyclopedia. | 17:46 | |
| (laughing) | 17:48 | |
| It's gonna be an encyclopedia court decisions. | 17:49 | |
| (mumbling and laughing) | 17:51 | |
| - | You're lucky he didn't stick you in jail, though. | 17:58 |
| - | Yeah, I know. | 18:02 |
| They stuck Ralph and Chris in jail. | 18:02 | |
| The funny thing was when they stopped us | 18:03 | |
| they frisked us for weapons. | 18:06 | |
| We're dangerous characters, we've been shot. | 18:11 | |
| They stuck Chris, Allen and Ralph out in jail | 18:17 | |
| for half of (inaudible) the investigation. | 18:19 | |
| (speakers drowning each other out) | 18:22 | |
| - | But you thought I was a hero. | 18:27 |
| I did most of the driving. | 18:29 | |
| Then I was picked up, close to (inaudible) | 18:33 | |
| for a week. | 18:37 | |
| Checking my driver's license. | 18:39 | |
| Checking the car registration. | 18:41 | |
| - | Yeah, by the way, it was lucky. | 18:44 |
| You shouldn't have driven off like that last night | 18:45 | |
| without knowing the registration in there. | 18:47 | |
| - | Yeah, I know I shouldn't. | 18:49 |
| - | Gotta think about that. | |
| - | Yeah, I do need to. | 18:51 |
| - | I also need to have a registration myself, (mumbling). | 18:52 |
| - | Yeah. | 18:54 |
| - | Which car were you driving? | 18:56 |
| - | This was Brown's car. | 19:02 |
| Yeah next time I drive it, I'll ask him about it | 19:07 | |
| (mumbling). | 19:09 | |
| - | Rick and Ralph? | 19:16 |
| - | Yeah. | 19:17 |
| - | I wanted to talk to you about something. | 19:18 |
| - | Yes. | 19:21 |
| - | Mm-hmm. | |
| - | About the rabbi in town. | 19:27 |
| What's his name? | 19:30 | |
| - | Rist? Ristan?. | 19:32 |
| - | Brist? | 19:34 |
| - | Yeah, I'm not even sure what his name is. | 19:37 |
| - | The one with the (mumbling). | 19:39 |
| - | Oh, Dristan, no, no, no. | 19:40 |
| You mean the local rabbi? | 19:41 | |
| - | Yeah. | 19:43 |
| - | The Jewish temple in town. | 19:44 |
| - | Oh, oh, oh. | 19:46 |
| I'm afraid I don't know him. | 19:48 | |
| I don't think I had a chance to meet him. | 19:52 | |
| Not even in a conference we had with some white ministers | 19:54 | |
| out to the Presbyterian church. | 19:59 | |
| He wasn't there. | 20:02 | |
| (mumbling) | 20:04 | |
| - | You had a conference out at the-- | 20:12 |
| - | I believe it took the three ministers that were | 20:14 |
| in the group. | 20:18 | |
| Or ministers of the Presbyterian faith. | 20:20 | |
| - | Are they all three of 'em. | 20:25 |
| - | Out on Dawson Road, we out there. | 20:27 |
| That big Presbyterian church. | 20:29 | |
| (mumbling) | 20:32 | |
| But I tell you what, something kinda provoked, | 20:34 | |
| I don't know what you call it, but I think the conference | 20:40 | |
| came into being one day | 20:44 | |
| kinda we were threatened to kneel in. | 20:49 | |
| And so they got in the wind that we were going to kneel in. | 20:54 | |
| So they called Charles Jones and a few of us, | 21:00 | |
| 'bout four of us got together and went out there. | 21:09 | |
| And they talked about is it certain that you will kneel in? | 21:13 | |
| We'd like to know whether we would, | 21:21 | |
| where we can get together | 21:24 | |
| or prepare our peoples for such. | 21:37 | |
| And this, they say, this is the reason we called you. | 21:42 | |
| That you may tell us for certain whether or not | 21:51 | |
| this will be, that we may prepare our people. | 21:55 | |
| I suppose that meant they'd sit and play (mumbling) | 22:00 | |
| so the nurses at the door get stopped. | 22:04 | |
| I figured that's what that meant. | 22:07 | |
| But what happened, what actually happened, | 22:13 | |
| out the men we carried, we had there | 22:19 | |
| a man who, we had 'bout two men in the group | 22:27 | |
| that could really express themselves, | 22:33 | |
| like Charles Jones and Lieutenant Wright. | 22:36 | |
| And they were the men that did the talking. | 22:43 | |
| And the men, this were there reason for calling us, | 22:50 | |
| to see for certain whether we gonna to kneel in. | 22:54 | |
| But we turned the whole conference | 22:57 | |
| into something like: "what can you do | 23:04 | |
| in this Albany struggle?" | 23:09 | |
| What are you willing to do? | 23:12 | |
| And actually, the conference worked out | 23:15 | |
| to be something like | 23:21 | |
| laying the cards on the table | 23:26 | |
| as what do you stand for, or what will you do | 23:29 | |
| as a Christian in this particular struggle. | 23:31 | |
| The men of the Presbyterian faith were able to say, | 23:37 | |
| Well, we just drew up a, uh | 23:40 | |
| they call it some kind of | 23:47 | |
| stand as to stand on, I forget their wording, | 23:57 | |
| of the document they drew up saying that | 24:03 | |
| what they stand for as a Presbyterian faith. | 24:07 | |
| (mumbling) | 24:12 | |
| - | Reincarnation of the saints. | 24:15 |
| - | No, it wasn't (thumping drowning out speakers). | 24:18 |
| He said now, we drew this up, we printed it. | 24:27 | |
| It's already printed in the paper at that time. | 24:30 | |
| And yet, he said we go to any one of our men | 24:35 | |
| to try to get them to actually stand behind this, | 24:40 | |
| and bring it into being, he said he couldn't get one. | 24:47 | |
| - | You mean members of the congregation? | 24:50 |
| - | Members of this congregation that voted | 24:51 |
| for it would not support it. | 24:54 | |
| He wouldn't - now he admitted that. | 24:57 | |
| These men, tall men, appeared to be big as a mountain | 25:01 | |
| when I walked in. | 25:07 | |
| But when they got up to talking about the deacon | 25:12 | |
| even had more power in this particular thing. | 25:15 | |
| Then they had, they finally begin to look | 25:24 | |
| to me like it's about the size of my little finger | 25:28 | |
| when we walked out. | 25:31 | |
| They were really pitiful that men of the gospel | 25:34 | |
| who were supposed to be the stronger, | 25:39 | |
| the top leaders of our nation. | 25:42 | |
| Yet are helpless | 25:47 | |
| and they really held that much power | 25:53 | |
| as influence, they admitted that if they stretched out | 26:01 | |
| and soak us, they would not even be | 26:11 | |
| in their congregation long enough to even (inaudible) | 26:14 | |
| Their congregation would have them kicked out. | 26:19 | |
| - | This is true. | 26:23 |
| (speakers drowning each other out) | 26:25 | |
| A Presbyterian minister in New York. | 26:27 | |
| Reverend (thumping drowning out speaker). | 26:33 | |
| I forget his name. | 26:38 | |
| Banky, Reverend Banky, stood up for something. | 26:40 | |
| Some issue where (mumbling). | 26:46 | |
| - | Yeah. | 26:48 |
| - | What was that issue? | 26:49 |
| - | It was generally the race issue. | 26:53 |
| He was removed from his church and other things. | 26:54 | |
| (mumbling) | 26:57 | |
| I think. | 27:01 | |
| And a bunch of naked ministers stood up on this | 27:02 | |
| and get angry and they took him out. | 27:04 | |
| - | One in Columbus, too. | 27:08 |
| - | In Columbus, yeah. | 27:09 |
| - | Mm, Columbus. | 27:11 |
| - | Presbyterian? | 27:12 |
| - | Oh, I don't know what faith he was. | 27:13 |
| - | Is that Columbus, Ohio? | 27:16 |
| (speakers drowning each other out) | 27:17 | |
| - | They wanted to go surround him in Vietnam. | 27:21 |
| - | Yes, that's what it was. | 27:23 |
| - | (mumbling) is minster here? | 27:25 |
| - | First Baptist Church | 27:27 |
| - | Did he ever resign? | 27:29 |
| - | No. | 27:31 |
| - | No. | |
| - | He was the one that protested the arrest of new one-- | 27:32 |
| (mumbling) | 27:34 | |
| - | Oh, that's right. | 27:35 |
| - | He's sort of been with us all the way. | 27:38 |
| - | Really? | 27:40 |
| - | Hasn't he, Reverend, right? | 27:41 |
| - | That's right. | 27:43 |
| - | Was he at that conference? | 27:44 |
| Or he wasn't there? | 27:46 | |
| - | He was. | 27:47 |
| - | Was that a Columbus trip? | 27:50 |
| - | Supposed to have another one here-- | 27:53 |
| (speakers drowning each other out) | 27:55 | |
| Since then. | 27:57 | |
| Dr. Martin Luther King had one about a month ago. | 27:58 | |
| But the ministers had to bail. | 28:02 | |
| I don't exactly know the results of that conference. | 28:06 | |
| What the subject was. | 28:10 | |
| I don't know the subject. | 28:14 | |
| - | Do you know anything about the rabbi in town? | 28:17 |
| - | No, I don't. | 28:19 |
| I don't know. | 28:21 | |
| I don't know anything about him now. | 28:22 | |
| He used to drive a chauffer car | 28:27 | |
| (thumping drowning out speaker). | 28:30 | |
| I never knew much about that religion. | 28:32 | |
| Never come in contact with any of them. | 28:34 | |
| (mumbling) | 28:37 | |
| They operate these (mumbling). | 28:41 | |
| And she hosted their - Mrs. Bloomberg, is dead now. | 28:44 | |
| (thumping drowning speaker out) | 28:48 | |
| Joe Rosenberg, and then Leon Rosenberg. | 28:52 | |
| I worked for him for two years. | 28:56 | |
| I don't know anything about that religion. | 29:02 | |
| - | You say they owned a store? | 29:05 |
| (mumbling) | 29:06 | |
| - | Joe Rosenberg is bitterly against. | 29:09 |
| He's outspoken against the (mumbling) and the Negro. | 29:12 | |
| Joe Rosenberg. | 29:19 | |
| Now, I think he's a member of this church | 29:23 | |
| on the corner of | 29:26 | |
| Oglethorpe and Jefferson. | 29:32 | |
| - | It's the synagogue, right? | 29:37 |
| Synagogue? | 29:39 | |
| - | That's right. | 29:40 |
| - | That's the one you saw. | 29:42 |
| - | There's only one synagogue in town. | 29:43 |
| - | I believe that's the only one I know of. | 29:46 |
| - | Look it up in the phone book. | 29:50 |
| Would you know about how many Jews there are? | 29:52 | |
| - | You know what, I don't. | 29:55 |
| The richest people that control the town are Jews. | 29:57 | |
| (mumbling) | 30:03 | |
| They own over half of the property uptown, downtown. | 30:06 | |
| And if they couldn't been so, a lot of my people, | 30:14 | |
| that's the way talk of the et. | 30:19 | |
| The racial situation not being any worse | 30:26 | |
| through the years than it have been | 30:29 | |
| because of the Jews owned such a large portion of this town. | 30:32 | |
| And so much property in this town. | 30:39 | |
| This have kinda helped the | 30:41 | |
| whites down to a degree. | 30:49 | |
| Really being hostile, more hostile, | 30:53 | |
| than they have been towards the Jews. | 30:56 | |
| All the control they have financially. | 30:59 | |
| - | Why do think this is? | 31:04 |
| - | They tell me. | 31:05 |
| - | Why do think this is? | 31:07 |
| - | Why do I think they control, | 31:08 |
| or why do I think they held the most property? | 31:10 | |
| - | Well, that they've helped? | 31:13 |
| They've helped-- | 31:14 | |
| - | They have helped us by owning this property. | 31:16 |
| - | Why do you think that is? | 31:20 |
| - | Because they are more the type of people, | 31:22 |
| the Jews in the way I have been told, | 31:27 | |
| the Jews are the people who have experienced more suffering | 31:32 | |
| and that's along with us. | 31:37 | |
| Not necessarily along with us, | 31:43 | |
| but they have suffered themselves. | 31:45 | |
| In this, they understand the subject better. | 31:49 | |
| And this is the way I grew up. | 31:54 | |
| The way I was told I can count on the fact | 32:00 | |
| that Jews are not quite as hostile | 32:03 | |
| or cruel to the Negro as the white men in this city. | 32:10 | |
| Gentiles. | 32:19 | |
| - | You say this Joe Rosenberg is very outspoken. | 32:25 |
| - | Well, he is one I know. | 32:28 |
| I think our leaders will verify that. | 32:34 | |
| He was very (mumbling). | 32:38 | |
| - | Does he control much property? | 32:40 |
| - | He do. | 32:43 |
| He have a voice. | 32:44 | |
| He have a voice. | 32:47 | |
| He do have a lot of property, but he have a voice | 32:48 | |
| in the government. | 32:53 | |
| Like the Chamber of Commerce. | 32:55 | |
| Even when the only committee | 33:01 | |
| that they organized | 33:06 | |
| to speak with us is a committee that included Joe Rosenberg. | 33:11 | |
| The only committee that-- | 33:21 | |
| (speakers drowning each other out) | 33:22 | |
| - | Who else worked at that time? | 33:27 |
| When was this? | 33:28 | |
| - | They had a minister, too. | 33:31 |
| Let me see. | 33:33 | |
| - | I'm gonna write this down. | 33:36 |
| - | Minister. . . | 33:38 |
| (thumping) | 33:43 | |
| Don't remember the minister's name. | 33:58 | |
| But this were one of the evenings, I think that the minister | 34:02 | |
| of the First Methodist Church. | 34:04 | |
| This was supposed to be a committee made up | 34:09 | |
| with people not directly involved in the | 34:12 | |
| sharing the opinions of the two extremes. | 34:22 | |
| These were supposed to be people in between. | 34:25 | |
| And of course, we got people, we sent a committee to them | 34:28 | |
| that rivaled the other than the leaders | 34:32 | |
| that was not the leaders. | 34:35 | |
| We didn't send our leaders. | 34:37 | |
| We sent people that were not leaders | 34:40 | |
| and they sent us people that were citizens, as such. | 34:44 | |
| - | I see. | 34:50 |
| What was the purpose of these? | 34:52 | |
| Who did they send? | 34:55 | |
| Is there (scratching drowning out speaker)? | 34:56 | |
| - | What were their stand in the? | 35:00 |
| (mumbling) | 35:03 | |
| Well, the exact position they took. | 35:07 | |
| I don't recall. | 35:12 | |
| This were what they call exploring. | 35:18 | |
| I know Mrs Jackson would be able to tell you exactly | 35:26 | |
| To give you the story of the conference. | 35:32 | |
| Surrounding this conference and the outcome. | 35:38 | |
| I know the outcome will not favor, as far as | 35:42 | |
| we were concerned. | 35:47 | |
| We were concerned, as well. | 35:50 | |
| We didn't agree, we didn't accept the tale of it, | 35:52 | |
| but I just remember the main points they discussed. | 35:57 | |
| They were just throwing 'em out so quickly | 36:12 | |
| until I didn't, it didn't register in my mind. | 36:16 | |
| So far from it being reasonable. | 36:22 | |
| - | (mumbling) where are you getting the money from now? | 36:28 |
| Where will you get money from if this thing drags on? | 36:30 | |
| (mumbling) | 36:32 | |
| - | Well, they will reinstate me, but I will lose the week | 36:35 |
| of pay and that-- | 36:39 | |
| - | Oh, I see. | 36:42 |
| - | I'll lose the week work. | 36:43 |
| But I will go back for a counter stance. | 36:44 | |
| - | Even if you lose? | 36:47 |
| Even if you lose the case, they'll still-- | 36:48 | |
| - | Well, regardless the way the case go, | 36:52 |
| I will lose a week's pay as of now. | 36:56 | |
| But it can be paid me in the next six months | 37:00 | |
| or whatever time it take the last court | 37:02 | |
| to rule in my favor. | 37:06 | |
| Well, then I'll get paid. | 37:10 | |
| Understand? | 37:12 | |
| It will be until one of the courts rule in my favor | 37:14 | |
| before I will get paid for the week. | 37:18 | |
| But the fact is I will lose it now. | 37:21 | |
| I'll get paid if they rule in my favor | 37:29 | |
| and when that'll be, of course, I don't know how long | 37:34 | |
| it takes to drag up through the, uh, | 37:39 | |
| - | Fired, being fired from the job-- | 37:41 |
| - | But I will go back to work Monday, you understand that? | 37:43 |
| - | Oh, you will? | 37:46 |
| I see. | 37:47 | |
| - | I will. | |
| It's just a five-day suspension, that's all. | 37:48 | |
| It's another five (mumbling). | 37:52 | |
| - | Well probably, couldn't they, don't you think now | 37:55 |
| they're searching around for grounds to fire you? | 38:00 | |
| - | Oh, this is the build up to it | 38:02 |
| See, when they get letters against you, | 38:06 | |
| and see this is a letter that will go in my file, | 38:12 | |
| and then the next offense, they can fire me. | 38:18 | |
| This is the law. | 38:22 | |
| If I lose, they will have a permit to fire me. | 38:25 | |
| When... at the next offense | 38:30 | |
| You see and this is what this is about. | 38:33 | |
| Building up falsehoods. | 38:35 | |
| Now that's why they are doing this. | 38:38 | |
| Now see, you should read a copy of my hearing. | 38:42 | |
| You should read a copy. | 38:47 | |
| - | I'd like to. | 38:48 |
| - | But in my hearing, in my hearing it's brought out | 38:49 |
| that my record, my record before | 38:54 | |
| December, I had there, | 39:03 | |
| I had 100, and I believe 40 hours of leave. | 39:09 | |
| My record, I got a record, a card yesterday, | 39:23 | |
| and it showed I had took no sick leave in three years. | 39:28 | |
| Now I got three years I've took no sick leave. | 39:35 | |
| I hadn't been, and I have letters praising me for such. | 39:39 | |
| Now this is what I had in my file. | 39:44 | |
| Now all this is in my file before December. | 39:45 | |
| I had a letter from a major praising me | 39:49 | |
| for my work, the work I've turned out, my work, as such. | 39:52 | |
| Now I have that letter in the file. | 39:59 | |
| And the things that, now see, that I thought this is | 40:01 | |
| the fourth thing on the basis of my record. | 40:04 | |
| I wasn't late for, if you come in, in Mississippi, | 40:08 | |
| I wasn't here to go to work, or then I've called. | 40:12 | |
| Although I have six years of civil service | 40:14 | |
| besides my honored time. | 40:17 | |
| I have six years, and not a single Monday | 40:20 | |
| I've been absent in six years. | 40:25 | |
| (mumbling) | 40:28 | |
| They say unauthorized leave. | 40:33 | |
| Then I fought to the last through the hearing, | 40:37 | |
| and I carried (inaudible) on that case | 40:40 | |
| he been out there twice. | 40:43 | |
| And I fought all my grounds on my record. | 40:46 | |
| Since I've been, when the suspension come up, | 40:49 | |
| I've got a letter of honor, I have 500 hours | 40:53 | |
| of sick leave. | 41:00 | |
| Now everybody don't have that kind of record. | 41:02 | |
| - | Still coming to you (mumbling)? | 41:04 |
| - | No, I have 500 hours. | 41:05 |
| See I could be sick six months and still get paid. | 41:08 | |
| That's what that means. | 41:11 | |
| - | Oh, I see. | 41:12 |
| - | It's sick leave. | 41:14 |
| It's sick leave, you understand? | 41:16 | |
| And you only get it through sick leave, | 41:17 | |
| 'cause they have in the commission, | 41:20 | |
| before the Civil Service Commission, they trying | 41:22 | |
| to get it back that if a man can build up a year | 41:24 | |
| of sick leave, that it'll be counted on his retirement. | 41:27 | |
| If you can build up a year of sick leave, | 41:30 | |
| when you get ready to retire. | 41:32 | |
| So you put 19 years in, you'll get credit for sick leave | 41:34 | |
| one year and that way you can go out early. | 41:38 | |
| They trying to get that through. | 41:42 | |
| That's what that means. | 41:44 | |
| And so, in the thick of all of that, they wrote me | 41:46 | |
| or handed me a letter. | 41:51 | |
| A rep-crommand. | 41:54 | |
| Rep-crommand. | 41:57 | |
| What's that they call it? | 41:59 | |
| - | Reprimand or record? | 41:59 |
| - | Reprimand. | 42:01 |
| - | Recommendation? | 42:02 |
| - | No. | 42:03 |
| The meaning of it is-- | 42:12 | |
| - | To call you out or-- | 42:13 |
| - | Yes, that's what it means. | 42:14 |
| - | Reprimand. | 42:15 |
| A reprimand is what they call it. | 42:16 | |
| - | That's what they call it. | 42:18 |
| They gave me this letter in place of this record, | 42:19 | |
| and I have built up, I've built up this in six years. | 42:23 | |
| And a man cannot (mumbling) pay period, now. | 42:27 | |
| He can only bill, that meant I did six years, | 42:32 | |
| and now we're only out about 80-something hours. | 42:37 | |
| In six years. | 42:41 | |
| - | Couldn't you find a man out at the base to testify | 42:42 |
| that they, under similar circumstances, | 42:48 | |
| have been granted authorized leave? | 42:52 | |
| - | Wanna sit down to the, really being hostile, | 42:57 |
| more hostile than they have been. | 43:02 | |
| Of course, the Jews. | 43:04 | |
| Almost controlled them financially. | 43:07 | |
| - | Why do you think this is? | 43:10 |
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