Savage, Charlie - short clip - ObamavsTrumpontheMilitaryCommissions
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- | One of the reasons the Obama people were invested | 0:03 |
in the existing law enforcement approach | 0:06 | |
to dealing with terrorism cases | 0:10 | |
that arose on United States soil | 0:12 | |
rather than sending people to Guantanamo | 0:14 | |
is that as a practical matter, | 0:16 | |
it was not just that they were human rights idealists, | 0:19 | |
as a practical matter, the national security professionals | 0:23 | |
found that it was very effective, | 0:26 | |
that there were, in Article Three with courts | 0:28 | |
they could use various tools available as interrogators | 0:32 | |
to induce cooperation without using torture. | 0:35 | |
They could, you know, offer credit for time served | 0:39 | |
and all kinds of other things | 0:42 | |
that aren't available in the military commission system. | 0:43 | |
And then they could even use the defense lawyer | 0:46 | |
assigned to represent someone as an ally to say, | 0:48 | |
you better cooperate because, you know, | 0:51 | |
you're really facing some serious situation here, | 0:53 | |
maybe you can improve your situation a little bit. | 0:55 | |
And then once someone was convicted, | 0:59 | |
the trial happened quickly, compared to Guantanamo, | 1:02 | |
the verdict was upheld on an appeal, | 1:07 | |
the person disappears into the Florence supermax, | 1:10 | |
never to be heard from again, | 1:12 | |
while the, sort of circus of an attempt | 1:13 | |
to bring even the big, get through pretrial hearings, | 1:17 | |
in a case the commission system | 1:20 | |
continues to be ineffective. | 1:22 | |
And so, it will be, you know, | 1:25 | |
there were practical or pragmatic arguments for this | 1:28 | |
that the professionals had | 1:31 | |
totally apart from the political rhetoric | 1:33 | |
about which way was being tougher on terrorism. | 1:35 | |
One of the things that'll be very interesting to watch for | 1:38 | |
is how national security professionals | 1:39 | |
in the Trump administration handle these issues | 1:42 | |
as they arise and whether they make such arguments | 1:46 | |
and whether they're listened to, | 1:48 | |
or whether there's a desire to show a different approach | 1:49 | |
that prevails over that kind of an argument. | 1:54 |
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