Affidavits of local people in Albany, GA describing their attempts to vote

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	(faint speaking)	0:02
-	In fact, make out like you're talking to me because this.	0:04
-	You want my name, please?	0:07
-	That's right.	0:10
-	You know, did that not occur?	0:13
	Just speak (faint speaking).	0:16
	Forget about, forget that this is here	0:20
	and just tell me your name.	0:23
-	Arthur Lew is my name.	0:25
-	I see and could you tell us what happened today	0:28
	when you went down to try to register in Leesburg?	0:34
-	I went to register in Leesburg and the man claimed	0:38
	that he was occupied, taking in tax	0:44
	and I asked him then what day must I come back?	0:49
	And he said after Tuesday, I could come back.	0:55
	(faint speaking)	1:03
	Tuesday, after Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday,	1:04
	and I offered for Friday.	1:09
-	I see.	1:14
	Do you know this man's name?	1:15
-	Yes sir, (faint speaking) saw you.	1:17
-	I see, and what was he doing at the time?	1:21
-	Sitting down.	1:25
-	Was he doing anything?	1:26
-	Not a thing, sitting down.	1:28
-	I see.	1:32
	Was there anything else that happened?	1:34
-	Well, nothing, not there between me and him,	1:37
	only he just said that he was occupied,	1:45
	he was occupied, so receiving taxes	1:50
	and he didn't have time to register me up.	1:54
	Then I wanted to know what day.	2:00
	I wanted to be sure that I (inaudible)	2:02
	keep making, another (faint speaking) trip.	2:05
	I ask him, "Then when must I come back?"	2:08
	He said Monday he wouldn't be open,	2:11
	Tuesday he wouldn't be open 'cause Christmas day,	2:15
	but Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday, I could come back	2:19
	and that's what was asked, that's what I'm planning on,	2:24
	going back Friday.	2:28
-	And you are fixing on coming back?	2:29
	Fine.	2:32
	And you're coming to the mass meeting tomorrow?	2:34
-	Well, I won't promise.	2:38
	Now if I can get in touch with someone coming	2:42
	from Smithfield, you see, I don't know too much	2:47
	about (mumbles) and if I can get in touch	2:51
	with someone that's coming from Smithfield,	2:55
	I would be glad to come, I'd be glad to come of course.	2:57
	I'll be getting on the inside track	3:02
	of what's gonna be or what you is doing	3:05
	and all like of that and I'd be glad to come.	3:10
-	And you've never been to one before?	3:13
-	Never had.	3:14
-	My name's Clyde Winbush	3:19
	and I live in Smithville.	3:21
-	Could you hold this?	3:24
-	And some of the things that's happened today,	3:26
	I went down to the courthouse to get registered	3:30
	and a man told us we couldn't get registered	3:35
	until we were 17, I mean, until we were 18	3:38
	and so he told one girl that he were busy	3:45
	and he wasn't done anything, he was sitting there	3:50
	reading a paper.	3:52
	He told me and this other guy, Leon Wright,	3:54
	to come back when we were 18 years old	3:58
	and that we couldn't register until we get 18.	4:02
-	When will you be eighteen?	4:06
-	January 21st.	4:07
-	You will be 18 January 21st?	4:09
-	That's right.	4:11
-	Did you tell him that?
-	I told him my birthday was coming up in January.	4:14
	He said you couldn't vote until you get 18.	4:18
	(faint speaking)	4:22
-	No.	4:24
-	It isn't?
-	No, it's six months.	4:26
-	You can register, huh?
-	You have to be within six months of 18.	4:28
-	You can register when your 17-and-a-half.	4:30
	And you told him that your birthday,	4:33
	your 18th birthday was January?	4:36
-	That's right.	4:38
-	And what did he say?
-	He said, "You will have to wait until you be 18."	4:40
-	I see, then what happened?	4:44
-	So he was talking to this other girl.	4:47
	They had a few words.	4:52
	(faint speaking)	4:53
-	Well thank you, (faint speaking).	4:59
-	He wasn't doing anything but sitting down there	5:01
	and I told him he had a whole chance to	5:03
	(laughing)	5:07
	accept me, but he didn't do it	5:09
	and I asked him then when could I come	5:12
	and he put me off after Tuesday, Wednesday,	5:17
	Thursday, or Friday and I accepted Friday.	5:22
	I was told to be more, Christmas will be more yet	5:25
	and I accepted Friday to go back.	5:31
	I'm going back Friday.	5:34
	That's a long, long time.	5:35
	I want to see whether he meant to just turn me down	5:38
	or whether he had some cause, whatnot, for certain.	5:41
-	You know that alone.	5:48
	(faint speaking)	5:50
-	Well, thank you very much.	5:54
	I'm awfully sorry to hold you up like this.	5:56
	I know you want	5:59
	to get back home.	6:00
-	That's right.
-	Thank you.	6:02
-	Well, you're welcome.
-	His wife was just saying, "Wait on the Lord!"	6:06
	(laughing)	6:09
	She said, "I'll let the Lord do my voting for me."	6:11
-	Yeah, and instead of Him doing it, you know	6:13
-	He's a religious man.	6:16
	You getting him doing something, you have much more trust	6:17
	and you have to.	6:20
-	That's right.
-	Do something.	6:22
-	You know what?
	I don't know if it means that she'll be leaning on the Lord	6:23
	She may mean that the Lord will fix this thing	6:25
	and she won't have to even be stirred them.	6:28
-	That's what she said.	6:31
-	That's probably what she meant	6:32
	Without realizing that God gives us health, strength	6:35
	and might, and that as He gives you all these thing,	6:37
	then you should be willing to get up	6:41
	and fight for these things.	6:44
-	Yes, man.	6:46
-	I had a Bible with me.
-	When you get.	6:47
-	And I showed her.
	The Lord helps him who helps himself.	6:50
-	Well sure, I had asked him.	6:51
-	But (faint speaking).	6:54
-	When you get
	(faint speaking) and ails like that,	6:55
	very few of of us realized	6:57
	and you got to get him to (faint speaking).	7:00
	It never fails.	7:03
	Some will (faint speaking) and some would feel like it	7:04
	if something would help them.	7:07
	See, so many things have been on here (faint speaking)	7:09
	some of these people oh, just hereditary,	7:11
	(inaudible) and I guess that's what she means.	7:17
	Maybe she thinks He's gonna fix it after all,	7:25
	which He is gonna fix things for us after all.	7:27
	(faint speaking)	7:32
-	I was kind of trapped.	7:35
	I lay awake at nights crying, wishing, hoping	7:37
	that I could someday that I could do something	7:41
	and crying, feeling sorry for myself in a sense,	7:45
	then I'd start, I would ask myself is there a God?	7:50
	Then what is He doing now while these people	7:55
	are doing this, you know, to my race?	7:56
	And then I started to thinking about my welfare.	7:59
	You know, a lot of people that were crippled	8:02
	couldn't walk, are blind and I thought	8:04
	that I was blessed in a sense because I had to work	8:06
	at least I guess because it's a hard work,	8:10
	but at least I had my health and strength and I could work.	8:13
	And then I've always, you know, then I decided to stop	8:17
	feeling sorry for myself and I decided I would get up	8:19
	and do something, that after all, God is being nice to me	8:22
	because I was able to work, I was able to get about	8:25
	like I want to now.	8:28
	So this is one change.	8:32
	Then once I made up my mind to do something,	8:35
	I said no matter what happens, I was gonna continue	8:38
	to try to do this.	8:41
-	I'd like to get your opinion.	8:45
-	My name is (inaudible)	8:52
	Today, our men are Harriet James and (inaudible)	8:55
	and Lavarne.	9:03
	we went into register.	9:05
	When we got there, this lady and this man was in the office	9:07
	and this lady, I mean no (mumbles) for that,	9:12
	this is (faint speaking)	9:16
	and so he is over there reading a newspaper, so.	9:18
	But he told 'em that, I mean, Laverne told him	9:26
	that we came to register	9:29
	and he said that, he first asked what was the name?	9:33
	And she told him and didn't ask me how old was I.	9:40
	So I told him that I was 17 and I would be 18	9:46
	years old the 10th day of January and he told me	9:49
	that I was too young and to come back	9:52
	when we get 18.	9:57
	And he told Laverne, I mean, she was already 18	10:00
	and he told her that he was busy,	10:04
	something, doing some taxes or nothing.	10:09
	Well, at the same time he's reading a newspaper.	10:13
	I don't see why he could, you know, be busy.	10:18
-	And how old are you?	10:23
-	17.	10:26
-	Wow.
	And your birthday would be in?	10:28
-	January the 5th.	10:29
-	January the 5th.	10:30
-	I told him that.	10:32
-	Were there any other white people in the place?	10:33
-	Well, this lady.	10:36
	I don't know who she was.	10:37
-	Did she say anything?	10:39
-	She didn't say anything.	10:40
-	Did she laugh or giggle or smile at you?	10:42
-	When he told Laverne that, you know,	10:44
	we were standing there looking at them,	10:50
	he told her she must know who she is talking to.	10:54
-	What did she say?	11:01
-	He told her that she must know who	11:02
	she is talking to and that lady (faint speaking)	11:04
	you must didn't pay him or something she said like that.	11:09
-	It was Mr. Yeoman saying this, the registry man?	11:13
-	Uh-huh, that's him.	11:14
-	Say it to the lady?	11:16
-	Saying this to Laverne.
-	Laverne.	11:19
-	Could you say that again?	11:21
	The (faint speaking) was Mr. Yeoman.	11:23
-	Mr. Yeoman told Laverne that she must not know	11:24
	who she was talking to.	11:27
-	And Mr. Yeoman is the register?	11:30
-	Mm-hmm.	11:33
-	Anything else happen?	11:35
	(faint speaking)	11:37
	Anybody else smile or giggle?	11:38
-	We stood there when he said that.	11:40
	When they said, when him and her said that.	11:47
	So we just walked on out.	11:50
-	What did Mr. Yeoman's attitude seem to be?	11:53
-	Well, it seemed like he was angry or something	11:57
	or just shaky or something, I mean, something's wrong.	12:01
-	He seemed angry?	12:05
-	Mm-hmm.	12:07
	He's always so angry with them.	12:08
	(loud clattering)	12:10
	That got in, but your statement didn't.	12:13
	Say it louder.	12:14
	(laughing)	12:15
-	Saying he's always angry
	when a Negro come down to register of course,	12:16
	same attitude, same way toward me, you know,	12:20
	the times that I went down it seemed	12:26
	that something was making him very uncomfortable.	12:29
	It was just the idea of you coming down there	12:32
	and you want to support and register, no way.	12:35
-	That's the way it seemed today.	12:37
-	Yeah, and he look at you like you were guilty and dirty,	12:39
	just wondering what are you doing in here?	12:42
	And when you tell him you come to register,	12:46
	most time he'll actually try it, say, "What you say?	12:48
	"What you want, boy?"	12:51
	Say, I came down to register.	12:53
	You came down to what?	12:55
	Well, just the way he talk, you know?	12:57
	And he act like it shocks him when you when you tell him	12:58
	you came down to register and he'd say for what?	13:02
	I went down after.	13:05
	He said, "What you want, boy?"	13:06
	I said, "I came down to register."	13:08
	For what, the Army?	13:10
	You know, it's first thing he said, the Army.	13:11
	And I said, "No, I registered for the Army already.	13:12
	"I came down to register to vote today."	13:15
-	I want to see whether that got on the tape.	13:18
-	My name is Harriet Jenning.	13:25
	(faint speaking) already said out.	13:27
-	Could you repeat your name, please?	13:29
-	Harriet Jenning.	13:30
	The gentleman said I had another month to wait until	13:32
	I'd be old enough to register, so I just went in	13:36
	with the others, just, you know,	13:40
	and there were four of us went in,	13:42
	Laverne Haire and Leon Wright and Clyde Winbush	13:45
	we went in and the lady,	13:49
	she was sitting at the desk, she was talking to another lady	13:53
	on that side and so Laverne told her that we want	13:56
	to register, and she told us we had to see.	14:00
-	Who is Laverne?	14:03
-	Her.	14:04
-	Say in there who is Laverne, you know, say it again.	14:06
-	Laverne, she told the lady.	14:12
-	Who, is she (faint speaking) here?	14:15
-	Who, Laverne?	14:18
-	Yeah.
	She's Jacky's sister.	14:22
	Jackie Chenault, the girl that went canvasing	14:23
	with us today.	14:25
-	Thank you.
	Laverne Herr is Jacky Chenault's sister	14:27
	when Jacky went canvasing with us today	14:30
	and the lady at the desk told us	14:34
	to see Mr. Yeoman and we went over there.	14:36
	He acted like he didn't know we was in there	14:42
	and so Laverne said, "We came down to register,"	14:45
	and he said, he first asked what our name,	14:50
	so Laverne said, "My name is Laverne Herr."	14:55
	And he didn't get all our names 'cause we start talking	14:58
	all the sudden.	15:01
	And then he asked how old we were, so Laverne told him	15:02
	that she was 18 and Leon told him that he was 17	15:07
	and Clyde told him that he was 17.	15:12
	Then he said, "Well, you can't register	15:14
	"until you get 18."	15:18
	And so they said, "Well our birthday's coming up in January"	15:21
	Well, you still have to wait	15:27
	until you get 18 and register.	15:28
	Then he said, "You can't register today	15:31
	"because I'm too busy.	15:34
	"I'm collecting tax today.	15:40
	"Come back next week."	15:41
-	Did he tell you when to come back?	15:45
-	No, he just said next week.	15:47
-	What was he doing at the time?	15:50
-	He was reading his newspaper, The Atlanta Constitution.	15:52
-	You know, that's strange.	15:56
	He was reading the same paper the time I went down	15:57
	and he told me that his office was busy	16:00
	and I could come back tomorrow or the next day.	16:02
	Of course, all of these are just excuses	16:05
	to keep you from registering, yeah.	16:07
-	Well, he's a very slow reader,	16:11
	he's a very slow reader.	16:13
	He's reading that paper.	16:14
	(faint speaking)	16:16
-	Yes, but he's getting,
	come late in his age too.	16:17
	He's too old to have this position that he's in.	16:18
-	That paper (mumbles) is recording about the Korean War,	16:21
	and he has been reading it since then.	16:25
-	No.	16:27
-	I know
	(faint speaking) he's very slow.	16:29
-	Yeah, maybe he'd even finish it in about,	16:30
	he's on the same page.	16:32
-	Same page.	16:35
-	And I hope he finish
	that paper so he can get to my (faint speaking).	16:36
-	That's right.	16:38
-	He said that he couldn't register,	16:42
	we couldn't register today because he was busy	16:45
	taking that tax, and so we--	16:49
-	At the same time, there was nobody in the room.	16:56
-	That's right, no one but the lady	16:59
	that work at the office, and I guess that was the other boy	17:02
	was there in there.	17:06
-	I don't see why should he be so busy taking up taxes today	17:08
	when yesterday was the last day to get taxes.	17:12
	(faint speaking)	17:16
-	Say your name and say that over again.	17:18
-	My name is Charles Peterson.	17:20
	I don't see why Mr. Yeoman was so busy today taking up taxes	17:22
	when yesterday was the last day to pay your taxes	17:26
	without the penalty.	17:30
	And something I want to know also,	17:32
	if Mr. Yeoman is the register and he's too busy all the time	17:35
	collecting taxes or figuring out the tax	17:41
	or reporting all this, then what they really need	17:44
	up there is either a tax collector	17:47
	or a new register, I believe.	17:49
-	That's right.	17:50
-	Because one man,
	if this job is too large for him, then they need	17:52
	to get somebody else to work there because people	17:55
	can't be, make it inconvenient for people to go up there,	17:58
	to continue to go up there and then he tell them	18:02
	to come back tomorrow or the next day,	18:03
	I'm busy, when he's really not doing anything	18:05
	but probably just goofing off time.	18:07
-	Yes, sir.	18:10
	Really, I think he just making excuses.	18:11
-	Yes.	18:13
-	To keep from registering.
-	Yeah, this is all he's doing.	18:14
	(faint speaking)	18:18
-	We stood there for about a moment or so.	18:20
	And he said, "You must not know who you're messing with,"	18:25
	just like that.	18:30
	And so Laverne said, "Yeah, we know who we messing with."	18:32
	And so he said, "Y'all come back next week."	18:38
	And so we walked on out in the hall	18:43
	so he got up out of his seat	18:46
	and walked back there with us.	18:47
-	Walked out of the place with you?	18:50
-	Mm-hmm.	18:52
-	Did he follow
	you to the corner?	18:53
-	No, he just walked back is all.	18:54
-	And as he is so busy, I don't see	18:56
	why he would have the time to walk with us and stuff.	18:58
-	No, actually what he was trying to do,	19:02
	maybe he was trying to see did somebody bring you all	19:04
	down there, you know?	19:07
	He wanted to walk to the door and see where you were going.	19:09
	(faint speaking)	19:11
	This is probably why he done that.	19:12
-	And really, while we were standing there talking,	19:16
	we could have registered.	19:21
	It wouldn't take but five minutes to pull out	19:24
	that thing, they're blank.	19:27
-	We need to find some means, some way, get in touch	19:30
	with somebody and to get to have them to consider	19:34
	putting a new register down there in Leesburg	19:41
	because number one, this man is too old.	19:45
	He's much too old to have this position	19:48
	and because the time that he's not sick	19:52
	he takes three hours out for lunch everyday	19:55
	He leaves the office at 12:00 and you go at three o'clock	19:58
	sometimes and the secretary will say, "Mr. Yeoman,"	20:02
	now she told me this when I went down there,	20:04
	"left at 12:00, gone to lunch and he haven't came back yet."	20:07
	And it was three hours' time taking him to get lunch,	20:10
	you know?	20:13
-	Yeah.
-	And then whenever he come in the office,	20:15
	he always are too busy, and if he's too busy,	20:17
	he need to get him an assistant down there.	20:20
-	That's right.	20:23
-	So he can register,
	get people registered and this other man can collect tax	20:24
	or do whatever is necessary for these tax laws, I believe.	20:26
-	That lady who was in there.	20:30
	I mean, I don't know.	20:31
	I mean I hadn't looked at what she was doing	20:32
	But she wasn't doing too much.	20:34
-	But I though that was, excuse me.	20:37
-	Was that lady somebody who works there?	20:39
-	Yeah, she work in the tax collection office.	20:41
-	That lady?	20:45
-	Yeah, and I can't understand
	if she's working in there and he's not doing anything,	20:47
	what is his job?	20:51
	He's just supposed to be there.	20:53
-	I'd like (mumbles) to say she's working	20:54
	in the tax collector's office.	20:55
-	Well I mean, this lady's supposed to be working	20:57
	in there, but when we got there,	20:59
	she's talking on the outside to some other lady	21:00
	through the door.	21:04
	Really, I didn't see why either one of 'em were busy.	21:05
	Actually, I think what's happening,	21:08
	they just making excuses to keep from registering.	21:12
-	Who was the other lady?	21:14
-	I didn't know who was the lady on the outside	21:16
	but the lady was in the office,	21:18
	well, she's supposed to be working today.	21:20
-	So they were gossiping through the door or something.	21:23
-	Gossiping through the door.	21:26
-	Yeah.
-	Was anybody else in the courthouse?	21:28
	(faint speaking)	21:30
-	We can go home.	21:35
	(faint speaking)	21:37
-	Mr. Kennedy,	21:40
-	Kennedy,
	yeah.	21:41
-	He's coming.
-	You know, down the hall.	21:43
-	Down the hall.
-	Ms. Chapman and I, she came to the door	21:45
	(faint speaking) one of the bus drivers	21:49
	and then he also went to the courthouse.	21:54
-	Oh, they gave him a job down on the bus, huh?	21:56
-	Uh-huh.	21:58
-	That's right.
-	Number one Uncle Tom, you see how things work?	22:01
-	That's right.	22:04
-	Uncle Tom.
-	Did she say anything to you?	22:05
-	Uncle Tom gave him a job.
-	Well no, he was (faint speaking).	22:07
-	He was (faint speaking).	22:09
-	And I told him he was staring at me.	22:09
-	Were you in the car with us?	22:12
-	No, you didn't see (faint speaking).	22:13
-	No, and he spotted me, he just eyeballing	22:14
	until we got there anybody (faint speaking).	22:17
-	He was leaving.	22:19
	(faint speaking)	22:22
-	Did anything, you heard, excuse me.	22:29
	I heard you saying about a lady that you spoke to today.	22:33
	She was particularly scared or something?	22:37
-	No, no.	22:40
-	No, she wasn't.
	She didn't seem like she was scared or anything.	22:41
	We asked her where she was going to register	22:44
	or anything and she said no, but we asked her why	22:47
	and she just said because she wasn't going to register	22:49
	and so, and we asked her again why so she said.	22:53
	(faint speaking)	22:59
-	And she didn't say she was scared or anything?	23:02
	(faint speaking)	23:05
-	No, she wasn't
	scared or anything.	23:07
-	Did anybody you speak
	to today say that they were scared?	23:09
-	The one that he said, she was scared, Ms. Burny.	23:14
-	Okay, could you state your name and then tell	23:17
	the whole story of Mrs. Burny, what she said?	23:22
-	My name is Jacqueline Shinault and we went to register	23:26
	in the house today and we asked her was she going	23:29
	to register and she said no and we asked her why	23:33
	she said, because she wasn't going to register.	23:37
	And we asked, and Halia asked her.	23:40
	She said, "What are you afraid" (faint speaking)?	23:42
	She said, "Yes, that's it, I'm afraid."	23:46
	And we said, "There's nothing to be afraid of."	23:48
	And she said, "Well, I know it, I'm just afraid."	23:50
	And so we asked her daughter did she want to attend	23:53
	the meeting and her daughter said she wanted to go,	23:56
	but I guess her mother is not gonna let her go,	24:00
	and so we asked if she wanted to attend the meeting	24:04
	and she said she wouldn't have any part of it.	24:08
-	Did she say anything she was afraid of?	24:13
	She said something about the police	24:16
	or register or something?	24:17
-	No, she didn't say anything like that,	24:18
	she just said she was afraid.	24:20
-	Did you write that down on the sheet?	24:22
-	Uh-huh.	24:24
	(faint speaking)
-	Are we staying (faint speaking)?	24:25
-	Me and Jacqueline, we was canvassing together	24:33
	and we went to Mrs. (faint speaking)	24:39
	I think was her name.	24:43
	When we first got down, we introduced ourselves	24:49
	and told them what we were doing,	24:53
	what we were working for.	24:57
	And she said, "Oh," just like that.	25:00
	And I asked her had she registered?	25:01
	She said no.	25:05
	I asked her, was she going--did she want to register?	25:06
	She said, "No."	25:10
	I asked her why she didn't want to register,	25:11
	she said she just didn't want to register	25:13
	and so (faint speaking).	25:15
	Then I (faint speaking)	25:20
	I asked her if she would like to attend the meeting,	25:22
	and she said yeah, she would like to attend.	25:27
	I guess like Jacqueline said, her parents probably	25:30
	wouldn't let her attend.	25:34
	And I asked her why that she didn't want to register again.	25:36
	And then I asked her was she afraid?	25:44
	She said yeah, she was afraid.	25:46
-	And also, Jackie's sister, what's the name,	25:52
	the first--her name?	25:54
-	Gloria.	25:57
-	Gloria Hawkins, I believe.
-	Oh, we messed up good.	26:00
	We met a lady today while we was canvasing and we knocked	26:01
	on the door and we explained to her what we were doing	26:05
	and our purpose and we told her also that there other	26:11
	peoples in the community who was cooperating 100%	26:15
	you know, (faint speaking) with it.	26:18
	And she told us that when Penny, I believe it was during	26:21
	the time Penny was canvasing at Smithfield	26:25
	and she told me a policeman told her, asked her,	26:27
	was she involved in this?	26:30
	And she didn't come out and say he threatened her	26:33
	in any kind of way, but she, from what I gather,	26:36
	he mentioned and she frightened to say it,	26:42
	and this lady told me that she wouldn't register	26:44
	if she could.	26:46
	(faint speaking)
-	She was Mrs. Fields.	26:48
	Her last name was, check on that paper and be sure.	26:50
	And she.	26:55
-	Did you write that down
	on the paper that she was afraid?	26:56
-	No, we remember her name because we didn't have	26:58
	but two incidents like this and we can remember this.	27:00
	There on the paper, we can just check there now.	27:02
	And she also went on to say because of this fear	27:05
	that she felt somebody would do to her,	27:08
	she said, "My mother lived and died	27:11
	"and she wasn't a registered voter and why should I?	27:14
	"I'm 54 years old, I'm late in my age.	27:18
	"Why should I take a chance on getting beat up	27:21
	"and all bruised up and our home all destroyed?	27:23
	"So why should I do this now after I lived	27:26
	54 years of my life?"	27:28
	(faint speaking)	27:29
	Yes, and I went on to explain and tried to explain	27:30
	to her and I saw I wasn't getting anyplace.	27:32
	(faint speaking)	27:35
	Yeah, Mrs. Alisee Adder, yes, Alisee is.	27:36
-	Beside it something else.	27:39
-	And she was saying.	27:41
-	She said.
-	Fear, she was embedded with this fear	27:42
	and so another lady was like this,	27:45
	but during a long conversation about 15 or 20 minutes,	27:48
	we finally converted her over to our side (faint speaking).	27:52
-	But what did the other lady say?	27:54
-	In a larger sense, I guess in a complete sense,	27:58
	she wasn't familiar.	28:03
	It was awakening her.	28:05
	She probably heard it on the radio or someplace.	28:06
-	What was the lady's name?	28:08
-	Over there next to Bernie's, what's the lady's name	28:09
	The second.	28:12
	(faint speaking)
	Second lady's house that you and I went to.	28:14
	Now look on that page, look on that sheet, the first sheet	28:16
	on the second house.	28:19
-	Ms. Waters.	28:21
-	Yes, Ms. Waters.
-	Is that her?	28:23
-	She wasn't informed
	about this, and this is what had happened	28:26
	was happening in Smithfield today.	28:28
	The people are not informed in what's going on.	28:30
	They don't know what you mean by a voter registration	28:34
	and that way, you have to go into a long discussion	28:36
	trying to get over to them because you just can't walk	28:41
	up to a, knock on a person's door and tell 'em	28:45
	that you're working for the Student Non-Violent	28:47
	Coordinating Committee or you working for the Lee County	28:49
	Movement or anything like this.	28:54
	Any typical branch in government you want them	28:56
	to sign this, their names and why leave a phone number	28:59
	because one lady actually thought	29:03
	that we were trying to get into some kind of trouble.	29:04
	She said, "If I sign this thing,	29:05
	"say, I don't want to get in no trouble."	29:08
	Now she just kept on telling us this.	29:09
	And then after everybody on this block signed the thing	29:11
	and she looked close (mumbles) and she filed them	29:14
	and she heard them talking about it and I mentioned her name	29:16
	a couple of time and told 'em that she thought	29:20
	I was trying to get her into some kind of trouble	29:22
	and she said (faint speaking) these other people	29:25
	start talking about it.	29:27
	And she came up in this lady yard and gave us all	29:28
	the information we wanted and we thanked her,	29:31
	and she thought they just, we need to get organized	29:33
	in Smithfield, we need to have some of those meetings	29:38
	down in Smithfield.	29:41
	I know it's gonna be tough,	29:41
	but that's what we need down there.	29:42
-	Now there's only one.	29:44
	Okay.	29:46
-	Clyde Winbush and I
	we went to, I think it was	29:50
	(faint speaking) Waters, something like that.	29:53
	And she told us that she was living there in Smithfield	29:58
	and she had a farm right in the country	30:01
	and she's scared that the whites might	30:04
	burn down her farm, you know, somewhere.	30:08
	She had some things out there and we run across	30:11
	another lady, she told us that she was just	30:15
-	Do you know the first	30:17
	lady's name?	30:18
-	Plain scared.
-	Did you say?	30:20
-	Well I mean,
	the first lady who was Ms. Mammy Woodwards.	30:20
-	Did you mark it down on the paper?	30:25
-	Yes, we have that,	30:27
	at the first one on the list.	30:28
-	I mean no, did you have that she was scared?	30:30
-	All right.	30:34
-	Could you mark that down?	30:37
	You said she was afraid she would get her house burnt down	30:38
-	And this other lady that we went to, I don't know	30:42
	whether we had that marked down or not,	30:44
	but she just told us she was just plain scared.	30:47
-	Yeah, and most all of 'em knew what happened	30:50
	to burning Lee's churches and shooting these homes	30:53
	down in Lee and Terell and used this for an excuse	30:55
	not to want to cooperate because they feel	30:58
	that the same thing that will happen to them	31:01
	that happened around here in the rest of the county	31:03
	and this is what they are really afraid of	31:06
	they mention this.	31:09
	Did they mention that to you?	31:10
-	That's right.	31:11
-	Say I don't want this
	trouble, this same thing.	31:12
	There have been a lot of messes, they call it.	31:13
	You know, that's how they refer to it, as a mess.	31:15
-	That's right.	31:18
-	Been a lot of mess going on
	and I don't want this to happen out here,	31:20
	to happen to me.	31:22
	In other words, they didn't want.	31:24
	(people talking over each other)	31:26
-	We have to encourage them.	31:28
	(faint speaking)	31:29
-	I mean, I recorded it and everything.	31:30
	(faint speaking)	31:32
-	Look on there, what she?	31:34
	(faint speaking)	31:36

-	I can, you know if don't want, if you're uncomfortable	0:02
	holding it, I can bring this table around.	0:05
	If you could just state your name.	0:10
-	My name is Laverne Herr.	0:13
	And today, I went down to Leesburg to register.	0:19
	And when we walked in the courthouse,	0:23
	we went to the place where you were supposed to register	0:28
	and as we got in the door, we asked this lady,	0:32
	Mrs. Forrester, we asked, we told her we wanted to register	0:35
	so she pointed to Mr. Yeoman.	0:39
	And we went over there to register.	0:42
	And when I got over there, he asked us what we wanted.	0:44
	And I told him that we wanted to register	0:49
	and he said, register?	0:52
	And we said yeah, so he said, well you have to come back	0:53
	next week 'cause I'm busy collecting tax.	0:57
	So I began to look around, I didn't see anybody in there	1:01
	so I looked around and I looked directly at him	1:04
	and he asked me what I was looking at.	1:07
	What was I looking around for?	1:09
	And I told him I wasn't looking around, I was looking at him	1:11
	so he told me, he asked me did	1:17
	I know who I was messing with?	1:20
	I told him I knew who I was talking with,	1:21
	I was talking with him so he told us to come back	1:24
	next week because he would have time, he was collecting tax.	1:27
-	Was he doing anything particular when you walked in?	1:34
-	No, he wasn't doing anything in particular,	1:37
	he was just sitting there.	1:39
	As we walked in and this lady, Mrs. Forrester,	1:41
	she was putting stamps on some envelopes.	1:44
	Didn't seem like either one of 'em was doing too much.	1:47
-	Is Mrs. Forrester any relation to the sheriff?	1:50
-	Yeah Mrs. Forrester is Sheriff Forrester's sister	1:53
-	No, it's Sheriff Forrester's wife (mumbles).	1:58
-	Wife?	2:00
	Hm-mm.
-	Oh mistake there, Mrs. Forrester is the sheriff's wife.	2:01
-	All right did she say anything to you?	2:10
-	Mr. Yeoman asked Harriet and the others how old they were.	2:15
	And they told 'em that they were 17	2:19
	and Mrs. Forrester said that you have to be 18	2:21
	before you can register and I told her that I was 18,	2:24
	but Mr. Yeoman said he didn't have time.	2:27
	He was collecting tax.	2:30
-	Did the kids, the other kids ask him about or tell him	2:33
	when their birthdays would be?	2:37
-	Yes, one of the boys told him that his birthday	2:39
	was January 5th, if I make no mistake.	2:43
	And he said, Mrs. Forrester said, well you have to wait	2:47
	until you're 18 and then you come back and register.	2:51
-	Mrs. Forrester, (mumbles) said that?	2:55
-	Yeah, Mrs. Forrester said that.	2:57
-	Not, not Saul Yeoman	3:00
-	No, he didn't, Saul Yeoman didn't say that,	3:01
	Mrs. Forrester said that you have to wait until you're 18	3:05
	before you can register.	3:10
-	I see, (inaudible)	3:13
	You were there?	3:20
	Oh you were there too?	3:22
-	Yeah, I was standing in the door (mumbles) talking to.	3:23
-	Were you going to get registered too?	3:28
-	I been registered.	3:30
-	Oh you did.	3:31
	I am registered.
	My daughter's registered too.	3:33
	(static)	3:35
-	And when he said it was too busy when I tried to register,	3:37
	he said yeah but he was too busy collecting tax	3:41
	and that we would have to come back next week	3:46
	he didn't specifically say Friday but he said next week.	3:48
-	Did you say anything to him then?	3:53
-	No I didn't say anything, I just, when he said	3:56
	I'm too busy collecting tax, I looked around in the room,	3:58
	then I looked at him and he asked me what I was looking	4:01
	around there for and did I know who I was messing with.	4:04
-	How did he say that?	4:10
	Did he say that like he was joking?	4:11
-	Oh he said kinda mean, what you looking around in her for?	4:13
	Do you, you must not know who you're messing with.	4:17
-	Did he seem angry?	4:20
-	Mm, yeah, I'd say he seemed angry.	4:22
-	Now after he said, rather after you said,	4:30
	I know who I'm messing with, did he say anything?	4:33
-	No, he didn't say anything, he just kept looking at me.	4:37
-	What happened next?	4:40
-	Well we left and we came out of the room.	4:41
-	Did he do anything when you left?	4:46
-	I don't, he got up and I guess he came to the door	4:49
	behind us, I don't, I'm not too sure,	4:55
	but I think he did, but I know he was up.	4:57
-	I see.	5:01
	Could you please state your name and then I would	5:07
	like to get your story of today of you know--	5:11
-	Kevin Shetland.	5:16
-	And uh--	5:18
-	I was standing in the hall with the baby.	5:20
	And I heard him said you're not old enough	5:24
	and then I walked up there and he was getting up	5:26
	coming out then and I spoke and I said,	5:29
	Laverne's 18 and he didn't say nothing to me	5:32
	and they were getting on out.	5:35
-	That's when they were leaving.	5:37
-	Uh-huh, they were leaving.	5:38
-	Did you see them when they were in the office?	5:40
	You saw them standing there?	5:44
-	Um-hm.	5:46
-	Could you describe what you saw from beginning to end?	5:47
-	Well I didn't see nothing that was too bad.	5:55
	No more than what she said.	6:00
-	I see, when you said she's old enough,	6:03
	Forrester didn't answer, I mean to say Yeoman didn't answer.	6:08
-	No.	6:11
-	But did he look at you or anything, did he look at you?	6:12
-	No, he didn't say nothing to me, nothing.	6:15
-	Did he look at you?	6:17
-	He didn't even look at me, he was looking at her.	6:18
-	Did Mrs. Forrester look at you?	6:21
-	He was so slow coming out you know	6:21
	and that's why I guess he was looking at her like that.	6:25
-	Did Mrs. Forrester--	6:28
-	No, Mrs. Forrester didn't look at me.	6:29
	She was sitting kinda inside the door.	6:31
-	I see.	6:33
-	No she didn't look at me either and I walked on out.	6:35
	And told him, I said come on (inaudible)	6:38
	come on out, I said, but be sure to come back.	6:40
	I said don't give up.	6:44
-	Did you see Forrester when he followed her out?	6:45
	Forrester, I mean Yeoman.	6:51
-	Oh yeah, I knew who you meant.	6:54
-	I meant, did you see Yeoman when he followed her out?	6:56
-	Yeah (mumbles).	6:59
-	He said, did you see him when he followed me out?	7:00
	I don't know--	7:03
-	Oh, no!
-	He didn't follow them out,	7:04
	he just stood up and they came on out.	7:05
-	I see, he didn't walk or anything?	7:10
-	No, he didn't follow them out.	7:13
-	I see.	7:17
-	I know he stood up, but I don't know for certain	7:18
	whether he came to the door or whether he followed us out,	7:20
	or anything, but I know he stood up.	7:23
	He was sitting down and I guess we were too slow leaving,	7:26
	so he stood up and we came on out.	7:31
-	What would be your impression of his attitude?	7:36
	Did he seem mean or angry or happy or?	7:40
-	He was very, seemed liked a little angry.	7:42
-	Did he speak in a hard voice?	7:47
-	No, he wasn't so hard, but when he spoke	7:50
	it wasn't so kind.	7:52
	He coulda speaked to them better than he did.	7:54
-	I see. (mumbles)	7:58
	If you could think of, I don't know the questions	8:04
	to ask because I wasn't there to see it happen,	8:10
	but if you can think of anything else	8:13
	that was said or done, can you think of anything else	8:16
	that was said or done?	8:19
	(others mumbling)	8:21
	Okay as we're talking, if you can, just say it out to me.	8:24
-	I'd like to know where you and (mumbles) are got	8:30
	any money that he made the town.	8:35
-	He like to know where he get it from.	8:40
-	I mean, is he a wealthy man, first of all?	8:43
-	No, I don't think he's so wealthy.	8:47
	I wouldn't say that he's so wealthy.	8:50
-	He's a real, a real old man.	8:53
-	Hm-hm, a real old man.	8:55
-	Is his family from the town?	8:59
-	From where?	9:04
-	Is his family from here?	9:04
-	I guess so, I don't know where he's from anyway.	9:06
-	I don't know his family.	9:10
-	I mean, did he get any money from his family?	9:12
	I'm trying to figure where he fits, you know?	9:15
	Certain things that happened, I'm beginning to see	9:19
	that all the money is tied up in pretty much one place.	9:21
-	Robert Lee.	9:28
	(people laughing)	9:30
	And land, you see, all the land is tied up, most of it.	9:32
	Now there might be some money floating around	9:38
	that I don't know about, but the money is, you know,	9:40
	if you say he's pretty close to it and also	9:46
	the people in power in Lee County, the sheriff, and mayor,	9:51
	you know, county officials seem to be one little bunch too.	9:59
	And really one, I was just trying to figure	10:05
	if Yeoman fitted in there.	10:12
-	I don't know whether Yeoman fits in there or not.	10:14
-	Such as Dick and (?) Forrester, Mrs. Forrester,	10:17
	that was very interesting that she is the one	10:22
	who said they're not old enough.	10:27
-	Oh yeah, she was putting stamps on envelopes	10:29
	and when he ask them, Yeoman asked them how old they were,	10:34
	then they said 17, and I said well, I'm 18.	10:40
	And she said, she turned around and said,	10:45
	well you have to be 18 before you can register	10:47
	and so one of the boys said, well I'll be 18, January 5th	10:51
	if I make no mistake and she said well, you have to wait	10:56
	until you become 18 before you can register.	10:59
-	You know that yesterday was the last day	11:06
	for collecting taxes.	11:07
-	That's what I know.	11:09
	(mumbling)	11:10
-	He has two jobs too, part of his job	11:14
	as tax collector is to register people who are interested	11:18
	in voting.	11:21
-	I don't think he's doing anything,	11:23
	'cause when we went in there, he was sitting	11:26
	there at the desk, he wasn't doing anything	11:27
	and I didn't see nobody in there he was collecting tax from.	11:30
	He had a paper or something on the desk,	11:35
	I guess he was reading the newspaper.	11:39
-	And when I pay taxes, I fix it 'til they leave,	11:41
	so he don't do nothing, period.	11:45
	When I go to pay my taxes, I pay it to her.	11:48
-	I think, that he just had a mean attitude or something.	11:51
	He probably like it takes you two months to register	11:56
	or something, 'cause he still ain't the one	11:58
	who collecting any tax, 'cause when he said,	12:01
	he said, I'm too busy right now,	12:05
	'cause I'm collecting tax so I looked around the room	12:08
	and I didn't see anybody to be collecting tax from	12:11
	and then I looked at him and he asked me what I was	12:14
	looking around for.	12:16
-	Well, he coulda been, you know, doing his paperwork	12:18
	or something like that.	12:20
-	It woulda seemed like someone in conversations.	12:22
	He had a newspaper out.	12:24
-	That's right, I knew it was a newspaper or a book,	12:24
	or something, I didn't look at it too hard,	12:29
	but I knew it was a newspaper or a book	12:31
	or something he was sitting there,	12:33
	he didn't seem like he was too interested in it.	12:34
	But I don't know, I guess he might've been reading it.	12:38
	I know the lady, she was putting stamps on envelopes.	12:41
-	I mean either one of them, (mumbles).	12:46
-	They wasn't too busy.	12:49
-	Whether they were or not, it's still their job.	12:51
-	That's right, I don't think it would've took	12:55
	so much of his time to give a little consideration.	13:00
	I just think he didn't want to register us anyway,	13:04
	so he say you have to come back next week.	13:08
	No, he didn't say Friday, he just said,	13:12
	you have to come back next week.	13:14
	I guess he meant next Friday.	13:15
-	That's another interesting thing too is, (mumbles)	13:17
	and he got to the point where he said,	13:23
	come back next week, so then he said,	13:27
	well, not Monday, not Tuesday, 'cause that's Christmas Day.	13:40
	And not Monday, Wednesday or Thursday.	13:47
	I think he said Friday too, which is another interesting	13:54
	thing, because supposedly Friday is the only day	13:58
	that people can register.	14:02
	And then I think he noticed this, that he said this,	14:05
	and then he said, well I'll make it special for you,	14:08
	since you came in today.	14:11
-	He didn't tell us--	14:15
-	He didn't say what special meant.	14:16
-	He didn't say any, he didn't say any specific day	14:20
	for us, he just said come back next week.	14:23
	And I said, I thought Friday was the registering day.	14:29
	Well I'm too busy, collecting tax.	14:31
-	Kinda (inaudible) by Friday.	14:38
	He was always too busy.	14:42
	And that's another thing that you're gonna have (inaudible)	14:48
	(inaudible).	14:54
	I don't know, we may have one on it already.	14:58
	If we don't, just in case, you know.	15:02
	(mumbling)	15:04
-	Dan Yeoman is the same guy that gave Arthur Lee	15:19
	when y'all was working on the sheriff.	15:26
-	Then he asked me how old I was.	15:31
	He said what does it look like?	15:33
	Who was with me?	15:37
-	Me, I was.	15:41
-	Cole, Cole it was, yeah.	15:49
	What are those boys doing here?	15:56
	And I explained that we came with him, you know.	16:04
-	You explained?	16:10
-	Yeah, I think I did.	16:10
	Either I explained, I began an explanation,	16:13
	he understood what I was going to say.	16:16
	And then I said, then he asked us, he says,	16:18
	he asked me, how old are you?	16:22
	And for some reason, I said I was 21,	16:26
	but I'm not 21, I'm 22. (laughs)	16:32
	I forgot how old I was.	16:35
	And he says, oh well, you'll have	16:41
	to come back next week too,	16:44
	you'll have to come back next week.	16:48
	I didn't tell him who I was, although I think,	16:50
	that we should go in, I'm sure we should go in	16:55
	and pin him down on some things when we get there.	16:58
	Since he'll be busy up until Christmas	17:03
	and since we'll be gone after that.	17:07
-	After the first of the year, (mumbles).	17:10
-	Well when you're--	17:18
-	One, looking for others.	17:29
	I went into a few stores and they had some other kinds,	17:32
	but they're very cheap and I think in fact,	17:36
	they cost more than this, but they're very cheap.	17:40
	In fact, I bought one and it broke right away,	17:46
	so get Humanatone, H-U-M-A-N-A-T-O-N-E,	17:50
	the original nose flute, Humanatone and it costs 15 cents.	17:58
	I guess you can get it anyplace downtown,	18:06
	but check music stores first.	18:09
	Check where they sell instruments first.	18:10
	Check German-sounding music shop names.	18:14
	Thanks a lot.	18:19
	They're very helpful, I'd like to keep these little gimmicks	18:23
	and gimcracks around.	18:27
	I would like to go to the next workshop they have	18:30
	at the mental hospital and I'd like to bring another one.	18:32
	Also, you know, just whenever you're relating	18:35
	to strange people, I mean strange to you,	18:38
	like if I ever work with kids around here or do something,	18:45
	just having something unusual helps to break the ice.	18:48
	If you show something unusual,	18:53
	it's a very handy thing to have.	18:54
	So if you can get me a couple more, I'd appreciate it.	18:58
	They're made out of plastic, they're very cheap.	19:01
	But they can be worth a fortune	19:06
	as far as working with people.	19:07
	Let's see, well like I said, this experience has	19:13
	made me interested in going into working	19:17
	with the mentally retarded, mentally ill.	19:19
	These were all adults by the way.	19:23
	They were all, but the guy I spend most of the time with	19:25
	was 36 and there were middle-aged to elderly people.	19:27
	I spoke to one guy there that claims he speaks to God	19:35
	every day so that was pretty interesting.	19:37
	Let's see, what else is there?	19:44
	Oh, just about every week, I go someplace	19:46
	with the rest of the Cuban people.	19:52
	The people from Cuba and we give a panel.	19:56
	So far, we gave one panel at Antioch Assembly.	19:59
	Another panel to a high school in Dayton.	20:05
	And a, a Spanish Club at a high school in Dayton.	20:09
	And yesterday, we went to a, what was it called?	20:13
	The Junior Affairs Club of Bryan High School.	20:20
	Bryan High School is the high school in Yellow Springs.	20:25
	And all three of these places we went to,	20:28
	the people were very responsive to what we had to say	20:31
	and asked us very intelligent questions,	20:35
	and took in everything we had.	20:38
	I think we're doing our bit to counteract	20:42
	the American propaganda, I think it's just terrible,	20:44
	the propaganda that the United States gives out.	20:48
	And we're pitching in there and helping old Fidel along.	20:52
	Last night especially was very good.	20:58
	Whenever we go, I have my little speech prepared.	21:02
	I wrote one speech for the first thing,	21:06
	I've been giving it over and over again.	21:07
	I give it on democracy in Cuba.	21:08
	And it's about a seven minute speech I guess.	21:11
	It's not the best speech there,	21:17
	but it gets the point across.	21:19
	It's very un-technical, most of these guys use	21:21
	very technical, highfalutin terms.	21:24
	And I have no technical background for speaking	21:26
	about the economic structure or politics	21:29
	or anything about Cuba, but I can talk about what I heard	21:32
	from the people and that's what I do.	21:35
	My whole talk is simply a collection of notes	21:38
	that I gathered about questions I asked	21:44
	the various Cuban people I met.	21:47
	And when I talk, I say this.	21:50
	I say that I have no technical knowledge.	21:52
	I haven't read too much.	21:56
	And the only thing I know is	21:58
	what I heard from the Cuban people, themselves.	22:00
	Whenever I make a statement about what the Cuban people	22:04
	think of their democracy, I preface it	22:07
	by saying, a teacher told me this,	22:10
	or a worker told me this et cetera.	22:13
	So I can get away with slinging a lot of propaganda	22:18
	that way and I keep giving the sources that I got it from.	22:20
	I'm busy with that.	22:26
	I'm busy with NAA, NAACP.	22:27
	I'm chairman of the educational committee.	22:33
	Haven't been too busy with that though.	22:35
	Over the last week, I've done nothing with it for instance.	22:39
	Mostly now I'm busy with my schoolwork.	22:42
	You know, I'm taking these three courses:	22:46
	20th Century Europe, Psychology II,	22:50
	and Development of the Atomic Concept.	22:54
	This last thing is very interesting.	22:57
	What it is, it's a history of science	23:00
	up to the atomic theory of matter	23:03
	and it's really the first science course I've ever had.	23:08
	That's struck me as being very interesting.	23:11
	It's not too much math involved, but he does give us	23:13
	a lot of the scientific theories and a lot	23:17
	of the scientific formulas	23:19
	and we use a little math of course.	23:21
	And he's starting to give us more and more formulas now.	23:24
	It's very interesting.	23:29
	He's a very good teacher and he presents it	23:31
	in a way where it makes sense to me.	23:34
	I think before, the reason I didn't like math	23:36
	and the reason I didn't like science in general,	23:39
	was it seemed abstract, it didn't seem to relate	23:45
	to anything, there's no meaning behind it.	23:48
	I couldn't see the reason for it.	23:51
	But, he gives the why we study it and he relates it	23:53
	to life in general.	23:58
	He knows that nobody in his course is majoring in physics,	24:00
	so he tries very hard to relate his course	24:06
	to whatever we're majoring in and show us	24:10
	how it's important for us to know.	24:12
	He told me, for instance, that when dealing with people,	24:14
	in this modern day and age, I'll come in contact	24:18
	with many people who are involved in science.	24:21
	If I become a psychologist, some of my patients	24:24
	might be in the science field and to understand them,	24:28
	I should understand the concepts they're working with.	24:31
	And he said anyway, mostly what he's concentrating on,	24:34
	is the scientific method, teaching us	24:37
	how the scientific method works, teaching us	24:41
	this logic system and all the scientific formulas	24:44
	and math he gives us are simply examples	24:48
	of putting the scientific method in action	24:52
	and he shows us how this is related	24:54
	to the world and science as a whole.	24:56
	It's fascinating.	24:58
	I'm taking this reading and studying workshop	25:02
	and it's done me absolutely no good.	25:04
	Well, one thing it did help me, though,	25:08
	the last class we had, he showed this movie	25:10
	to teach us how to speed up our reading.	25:15
	And the movie was just written pages, like.	25:18
	And a light would go across the written page,	25:24
	lighting up, oh five or six words at a time	25:29
	and the rest of the page would be dull.	25:33
	The idea was that you had to follow this light	25:35
	and you couldn't look back and you had to get	25:39
	the words as you were reading it.	25:42
	And it went at the rate of 180 words a minute.	25:44
	He showed us a few of these films	25:47
	and this really gave us good training.	25:48
	It's helped me a lot.	25:50
	I think I really speeded up my reading,	25:52
	just from this one thing.	25:54
	What I do now is, when I read, I put my pencil	25:56
	below the line I'm reading, so this kinda blocks out	26:02
	things and the rest of the words, rather.	26:06
	And my mind isn't diverted by the other words	26:09
	and I just concentrate on what I'm reading.	26:12
	And I find it goes faster that way	26:14
	and I'm really concentrating on trying	26:15
	to learn how to read faster.	26:17
	Mo-may's course will help.	26:22
	I really haven't given it a fair chance yet.	26:23
	I've only been there three times now.	26:26
	It's only been three weeks.	26:28
	(stringed instrument folk music)	26:29
	Oh, Dad, you hear about this Portugal business?	26:36
	I've been following that quite closely.	26:43
	I don't really know what the story is	26:46
	as far as who the men are that are leading this.	26:49
	I just read today where Gaviao talked to an American admiral	26:54
	and I don't know, both Galvao and Delgado	27:01
	used to be officials in the Salazar regime.	27:08
	Delgado ran for President against Salazar last time	27:15
	and somehow or another, I get this vague feeling	27:19
	that it isn't as good as we'd like it to sound.	27:24
	It isn't the portents of a popular revolution,	27:27
	somehow or another it smacks of coup-ism,	27:34
	of a military coup of some sort.	27:38
	The guys that are in it don't ring true.	27:43
	And the statements they make to the press	27:46
	don't sound like statements of popular rebels.	27:49
	Delgado said that he's leading a revolution	27:53
	against the Salazar regime, that he's in a state	27:57
	of belligerency against him, and that he wants	27:59
	to establish public order in Portugal.	28:02
	Seems to me, there's too much public order	28:07
	in Portugal as it is.	28:09
	It seems to me that's their whole problem.	28:10
	Although he has come out in favor of, Galvao that is,	28:15
	has come out in favor of freeing the African colonies	28:18
	from Portugal.	28:22
	Like I said, Dad, I've been following that pretty closely.	28:25
	Everyday I read the papers about it.	28:28
	And of course the papers don't tell you too much.	28:30
	And I'm very hesitant to pass	28:33
	any judgements at this point at all.	28:35
	It might be a coming revolution in Portugal,	28:38
	but it seems to me, if it was gonna be a revolution,	28:43
	they wouldn't have taken such a roundabout way to do it.	28:46
	Going halfway around the world to have a revolution	28:52
	in a little country like Portugal, I don't know.	28:54
	Although, some people have said this whole thing	28:58
	is like a publicity stunt to get the people of Portugal	29:00
	aware of the fact that something is being done	29:04
	to help them and to get the rest of the world	29:08
	aware of the fact that there is	29:11
	a terrible dictator in Portugal.	29:13
	The papers never carried anything about Portugal at all	29:16
	before this and now the stories are leaking out	29:19
	of what really kind of a guy Salazar is.	29:24
	I guess we just have to sit back and wait,	29:27
	is mostly all we can do now.	29:31
	Time will tell what will happen.	29:36
	And he's not, he said, Delgado came out with the statement	29:44
	that he wants his revolution to be within the forms	29:49
	of his party.	29:52
	His party is not a Communist party or a radical party.	29:54
	Well, as I get it, it's a liberal party	29:59
	and if he's limiting this revolution that much,	30:02
	so it must be under his control at all times,	30:07
	I'm afraid of it.	30:10
	I just think if it comes off at all,	30:12
	which I don't know if it will or not,	30:16
	it may be just another dictator getting in there,	30:20
	just another military coup.	30:23
	Although Delgado has said some good things,	30:25
	I mean, like I said, freeing the African colonies.	30:27
	But he doesn't ring true, he really doesn't.	30:32
	Well, this side of the tape is just about over now.	30:36
	It's fast running out, so turn it over.	30:40
	Rather, push the button, don't turn it over.	30:43
	Push the button to send it in the next direction.	30:45
	You'll send it to the right.	30:49
	It should be turning to the left, to the left now	30:53
	and you should push the button, it says, to the right.	30:56
	Okay it's going.	31:00

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Affidavits of local people in Albany, GA describing their attempts to vote

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December 21, 1962

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Rubin, Larry, 1942-

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